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particledots
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Re:Brace for Impact
Saturday, August 26 2017 @ 08:07 PM CDT

Quote by: Daugrin


Nothing unusual happened. Maybe you could relax a little? In deference to your stern, heart felt warning, please keep all informed if ya feel something hit.

Daug



http://billmoyers.com/story/arpaio-pardon-may-opening-act-constitutional-crisis/
mr_mordenus
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Re:Brace for Impact
Saturday, August 26 2017 @ 09:09 PM CDT



Chikoppi For President 2020.

Intelligence. Patience. Calm. Reason. Talent. Respect.



Ed Hannifin
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Re:Brace for Impact
Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 03:38 PM CDT

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Quote by: MikeRobinson

I think that it’s rather shrewd what he did do:   he responded rather unequivocably, and said that there were problems on both sides ... which, there are.   Any statement that addressed only one side would have been immediately torn apart by one side and lifted to the sky by the other.   But you just can’t do that so easily with a response like the one that he actually gave.



False equivalence: a logical fallacy in which two opposing arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not.

Sure there are problems on both sides. However the crux of one side's argument is that everyone, regardless of skin color, sexuality, nationality, religious belief, etc... deserves to be treated with basic human dignity and decency. The other side's argument seems to be more along the lines of, "fuck you, get out of my country".

That anyone needs to explain or clarify this is ridiculous.



Thank very much, carbon, for this simple, true and clear statement. I particularly appreciate that you appended that last line...

"We have to remember...when it's surrender that's called for, it's not surrender of your brains. It's surrender of your ego. It's a different thing." --Bruce Cockburn
Ed Hannifin
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Re:Brace for Impact
Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 03:44 PM CDT

Quote by: mr_mordenus


Chikoppi For President 2020.

Intelligence. Patience. Calm. Reason. Talent. Respect.






I'm certainly behind the spirit of this proposal.

We actually had a President who embodied these qualities, and not that long ago, and I liked that.

I do think there is a place for passion, a place for emotion in matters related to public spirt and the public welfare, but I absolutely admire and respect chikoppi's ability to stay cool, clear and reasoned in these forums. He is absolutely someone who does his homework, and thinks things through.

"We have to remember...when it's surrender that's called for, it's not surrender of your brains. It's surrender of your ego. It's a different thing." --Bruce Cockburn
Dadai.2
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Re:Brace for Impact
Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 08:41 PM CDT

Quote by: Daugrin


Nothing unusual happened. Maybe you could relax a little? In deference to your stern, heart felt warning, please keep all informed if ya feel something hit.

Daug



http://thefederalist.com/2017/08/23/post-charlottesville-narrative-national-embarrassment/

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Dadai.2
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Re:Brace for Impact
Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 10:12 PM CDT

Quote by: Daugrin


Nothing unusual happened. Maybe you could relax a little? In deference to your stern, heart felt warning, please keep all informed if ya feel something hit.

Daug



http://www.dailywire.com/news/20287/again-berkeley-anti-fascist-protest-turns-violent-emily-zanotti

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particledots
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Re:Brace for Impact
Monday, August 28 2017 @ 01:10 AM CDT

Quote by: Daugrin


Nothing unusual happened. Maybe you could relax a little? In deference to your stern, heart felt warning, please keep all informed if ya feel something hit.

Daug



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-business-sought-deal-on-a-trump-tower-in-moscow-while-he-ran-for-president/2017/08/27/d6e95114-8b65-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html
MikeRobinson
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Re:Brace for Impact
Monday, August 28 2017 @ 09:24 AM CDT

There were unquestionably at least two violent groups at work at Charlottesville, each violently polarized in the direction of their particular interpretation.   It was not simply “neo-Nazis and innocent bystanders.”   And that is the very-real danger inherent in any such of a display.   I think that City officials have a fundamental duty to protect the public from easily-forseeable dangers such as this, without abrogating their Constitutional right to peaceable assembly.   Thus, I think that the ACLU and the Federal Judge acted with gross irresponsibility.

The Constitution guarantees the right to peaceably assemble and to petition the Government for the redress of grievances.   It does not guarantee the right to riot.   Likewise, it does not tie your hands and require you to allow anything, just in case a peaceable assembly breaks out.

Right now in this country we have a lot of barely-below-boiling resentments about a great many things.   In many respects (and, not just racial tension or slavery), it is eerily like what drove the Confederate states to seek to leave the Union.   It is what propelled President Trump into the White House.   It is also what drives hate-groups.   It drives them to try to equate public symbols and public discourse to their message ... of hate.   They very much want the public to think – and, to react as if – their point-of-view is the Normal.   That their meaning of a public symbol is the “real” if not the “only” one.   This is what enables them to channel unfocused public sentiments into a particular focus of their own choosing, and to gain social power thereby.   “The people who put up all those monuments did so because “they are not-so secretly like us.   We represent them.   We are President Trump’s base, therefore he is like us, and we are a legitimate political force.   The United States is nothing more than a country full of evil and hate ... just like us.”

There is simply no room in this message for any alternative message, such as a desire to memorialize and thus to remember America’s most costly War, which laid waste to a very sizable percentage of the country’s population at that time.   (We really have only the grossest approximation of how many people actually died ... for instance, we don’t know how many citizens starved because the supplies they needed to survive the winter had been taken away by marauding troops from either or both sides.)  

There is no complexity to this co-opted message:   indeed, no alternative point of view is permitted.   The public built those statues because, “in not-so secret, they are [still ...] like us.”   Period.

It is a dastardly but easily-accepted message.   As I said, rooted in crowd psychology, and very, very old.
MikeRobinson
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Re:Brace for Impact
Monday, August 28 2017 @ 09:34 AM CDT

Quote by: particledots
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-business-sought-deal-on-a-trump-tower-in-moscow-while-he-ran-for-president/2017/08/27/d6e95114-8b65-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html


It should come as a surprise to no one that a business based on international real-estate would not cease operations or negotiations while its executive sought political office.   This man is a billionaire businessman, not a career politician.   “The Art of the Deal” is going-on all the time.   But, there are also ethics laws in every nation of the world.   It would be expressly illegal in America for President Trump to employ his position to further his business interests ... but it would also be illegal in Russia for a Russian to seek to have him do so.   (Not to say that it does not happen.)

On a much smaller scale, it would be illegal for someone to cut a sweetheart deal with a US Senator.   But, heh, this practice is so damned commonplace that the US Supreme Court “decided,” in their Citizens United ruling, that bribery was not in fact the High Crime that the actual text of the Constitution says it is, but a Constitutionally-protected right held by a “form of Citizen” that the aforesaid text never once mentions.   (Idle minds wonder just how much cash Chief Justice Roberts, et al, took for that one ...)   If we suddenly are seized with a virtuous desire to clean-up government corruption, let’s do it in all of those big, white buildings in Washington, DC.   If we really want to drain the swamp, let’s drain all of them.
 
Dadai.2
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Re:Brace for Impact
Monday, August 28 2017 @ 10:18 AM CDT


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