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Too Many Ghosts


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jiguma

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Started out as a melodic, quiet little song which kind of developed a mind of it’s own.

Based on some thoughts about the last year of my dad’s life (in ’95). The “Ode” – in the chorus – by Arthur O'Shaughnessy (1844–1881) was a poem he knew by heart, and it seemed appropriate to use it as the chorus here. He had had some bad experiences in WW2, including being shipwrecked in the North Sea. “Black Jack” was a figure of legend (I’m not sure whether this was Northumberland legend or my dad’s own personal legend – he spoke as if it was a cultural thing although I’ve been unable to Google it) who appeared in the days before one’s death. As I get older, I appreciate the fear and confusion my father experienced more.

Musically, I had a ball doing the midi drums for this – I’ve always played air drums, so this was a lot of fun for me – and the bass line was also rather enjoyable to play. I enjoy finding voices I didn’t know I had.

Song art - Delacroix's "The Shipwreck of Don Juan" at http://www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/5454-popup.html

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Lyrics
Too Many Ghosts
© 2006 Neil Porter

There are times I sift through memories
There are some I fear, so I put them to one side
I put them down and leave them there
I shut the drawer and leave them there

The world is full of mysteries
There are some to fear, but no need to run and hide
Some deep unspoken mysteries
Just close the door and leave them there

We are the music-makers,
And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
We are the movers and shakers
Of the world forever, it seems.

My photo box is tempting me
The moments there are etched into my mind
I take good care of thoughts from there
Feels safe here in my easy chair

I’ve seen too many yesterdays
Too many ghosts that live inside my head
I think about my younger days
The good times and those younger days

We are the music-makers,
And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
We are the movers and shakers
Of the world forever, it seems.

INSTRUMENTAL – on the verse (x2)

We are the music-makers,
And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
We are the movers and shakers
Of the world forever, it seems.

I saw Black Jack just yesterday
He was standing there in a corner of my room
“It’s time to come away” he said
I follow and he leads me there
It’s time to go away from here
I follow and he leads me there

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Uploaded: Apr 15, 2006 - 07:03:46 AM
Last Updated: Apr 15, 2006 - 01:52:47 AM Last Played: Jun 13, 2017 - 03:13:20 PM
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Hardware:
'71 Fender Precision Bass
Seagull S6 acoustic guitar
Yamaha PSR300 midi keyboard
Rode NT3 mic
Behringer UB802 mixer/pre-amp
iMac G4
Software:
Logic Express
Comments
jmt said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
tempo. For
Cool! I like the chord progression, it has a lot of forward momentum, especially at this tempo. For some reason this brings to mind The Blue Aeroplanes and I Am Kloot... maybe it's the lyrics. Excellent.
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jiguma said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
tempo. For
Thanks for dropping in John. I tend to go for slightly offbeat chord
sequences, and this is no exception. Must check out the Blue Aeroplanes -
haven't heard of them.
Cheers,
Neil

---
<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19298"> Unobtainable Remedy w Nolan</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
Cori Ander said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
Moved...
I got really moved of this one. Not only emotionally moved, which I often
get when you sing about family and actual life, but also in my mind ...
Was moved for a while to another place, another space.

Your music is truely special. The rest of the world should hear it ! ...
(remember me as one who recognized you even before you got world
famous ;-)

/Johannes "Curry" Cori Ander

Check out my latest song called O store Gud
jiguma said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
Moved...
Thanks as always for your very kind comments Johannes - I always appreciate
them very much. I suspect this is probably my best so far in terms of
production, although as usual, there are bits I'd like to have done better. I
wouldn't hold your breath waiting for my world tour of Sweden, but I'm
thinking about a CD once I finish with my day job :) Glad it moved you.
Best wishes to you and your family Curry.
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19298"> Unobtainable Remedy w Nolan</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
charliechen said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
Movement
Both comments above have hinted at the mysterious quality of movement in your song. This piece is tranporational, transcendant. It is a very good song. I mean the song-writing is especially solid. I really like the poem as the chorus. Very original and utterly fitting.

Of course, with any piece of art such as this, it ends up asking more questions than provides answers about the mysteries of the universe. And that is also the way it's supposed to be.

My ears did long to hear some increased variation to the singing, especially at the end. The range of the vocal line ins't a big one, which is fine, but to add colour and even more dynamicism, if your voice can handle it, taking the chorus up an octave at the end would have been really great. Or, add a female voice an octave above yours to sing along with you for the final choruses. Just a thought.

Great song.
Check out my latest song called Sparkles in a Lullaby
jiguma said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
Movement
Thanks for listening Charlie, and for the thoughtful comment. That harmony
idea for the final chorus may have happened if I'd let it run a bit longer before
uploading. Originally, this was going to be my first song without harmonies,
and the second voice went in late in the process - a lot of my songs
sometimes suffer from having maybe one more harmony than they really
need, so I'd decided to keep this simple. I'll play around with the top
harmony on the last chorus in the next version - not sure about an octave,
but there's room for a third upper harmony for sure. I'm especiall glad you
liked the "Ode" - it always seems to me to be a very deep and mysterious
piece.
Cheers,
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19298"> Unobtainable Remedy w Nolan</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
Ed Hannifin said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
No one...
...will ever mistake you for everyone else... You have a distinctive voice, a
distinctive way of thinking of melody and harmony and rhythm...a very
distinctive sound and approach on the bass...

Even so, this one has moments when it reminds me just a little of
moments that I love in the music of Bruce Cockburn...

This is a moving, complicated song... Lyrically dense... Good on every
level...

Ed
Check out my latest song called Chime (Alone) (Inspired by Particle Dots)
jiguma said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
No one...
Hi Ed, thanks for taking the time to listen. I'm glad you liked it - any mention
of Bruce Cockburn regarding my music is a big compliment indeed. I owe
something to Andy Irvine (from Planxty) who I saw and chatted with maybe 2
years ago in a local town hall where he was playing to less than 100 people.
He has a style where his melodies work in counterpoint to what he's playing
on bazouki, and I've been trying to do that since to varying degrees. Main
difference is I can play another counterpoint on bass, which I love. Not sure if
I've used "counterpoint" in the technical meaning of the word here, but I hope
you get what I mean.
Anyway, pardon the diversion - cheers, Neil

---
<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19298"> Unobtainable Remedy w Nolan</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
Superb in every way!
Neil, this is an amazing piece of work. I love the guitar and bass
throughout, and your vox and harmonies are in top form. The mix is as it
should be. No kidding? You really played all the drum parts on your keys?
An instant fave. Yes, we are, indeed, the "music makers."

"Oliver wants more!"
jiguma said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
Superb in every way!
Thanks Mike! The drums are midi, but I tend to pencil rather than play them
on the keyboard. I usually start with a midi drum loop which kind of fits and
then go to town with the pencil tool and a really good drum soundfont. I
guess the many years I had playing with good drummers has helped work out
where to put cymbals, snare hits etc, although I must admit that tom-toms
have me perplexed - must discuss with a drummer sometime.
Congrats on th new bass.
Neil

---
<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19298"> Unobtainable Remedy w Nolan</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
perceptualvortex said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
You have
such a cool, unique style. Great job with the songwriting. The sound pieces--your voice, the guitar, bass and drums--are each sweet, but they combine into a really catchy groove. This could've easily been on one of the vinyls I used to listen to.
Check out my latest song called Mercury (RPM 6)
jiguma said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
You have
Thanks David for the very kind comment. I think I asked you about drums
some time ago - never did get to DoD, but am finding midi to be very
rewarding. It sort of feels like I'm playing rather than just cut and pasting.
GB/LE/MJ are all amazing!
Neil

---
<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19298"> Unobtainable Remedy w Nolan</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
perceptualvortex said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
You have
Yes, I'm enjoying making MIDI drums, and other instrument these days
also; it's cool to have that kind of control. Maybe it's too bad I sold my
Roland electronic drums--that would've been a fun way to make MIDI drum
tracks! Someday I'll actually post a song with more of my own MIDI
instruments, but I'm not there yet. The drums you've made here really fit
the song perfectly.

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Check out my latest song called Mercury (RPM 6)
jiguma said 4264 days ago (April 16th, 2006)
You have
kevmikwa is using electronic drums to good effect

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
Macaudion said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
It melts at room temperature, but it's good that way...
You already know what I think about this, but it is nice to hear and to
have, the final production - And I'll say it again, this one is surely my
fav of yours it's verrrrrrrrrry cool and I could listen to it for a
lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng lonnnnnnnnnnnng time - It is, 'european
chocolate', candy sweet...

Maybe I've mentioned this before, but before Macjams, and the likes of
people like yourself, I had never, ever listened to lyrics... - And now,
after listening to pieces likes this, it makes it not even imaginable, that
I could know, just how much I've missed out on in my life - Thank you
for bringing me around, Neil...

Truly - Dion
Check out my latest song called Picture country living
Macaudion said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
It melts at room temperature, but it's good that way...
I keep forgetting to let you see the smile that the title, "Rodent Logic" brings
to my face... ;- )

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On through
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jiguma said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
It melts at room temperature, but it's good that way...
Hey Dion (or is it "Mr Cydniko" now you're on the road to being famous?),
thanks for your visit, and thanks for lending an ear when I was trying to
figure what to do with the solo.
I was really happy with the way the lyrics worked - I've been wanting to use
the "Ode" for some time now, and the rest worked out well. "Rodent Logic" is
the working title for all the songs I've done since I bought my Rode NT3 mic
and started using Logic - seemed obvious to me : )
As always, thenks for your support, really happy that you liked it.
Cheers,
Neil

---
<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
jgurner said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
Ghosts of memories
I've been recently going through some of my father's things as I
prepare to start work on the reissue of his book which he and I had
discussed before his death a few years back. Everything is packed full
of memories. That's what really hit me about this song. It really hit a
chord. Those memories tucked away in the drawers and the cabinets
and the boxes in the closet are almost too much to take at times. This
is a beautiful song, Neil, not just in its construction and performance,
but in the way it makes me feel.

And your story of Black Jack reminds me of something my dad told me
as a kid. There's a Southern U.S. folk legend about the screech owl. If
you hear it outside your window, it's a harbinger of death and sorrow.
Naturally, not too long after that, what did I hear one warm spring
night, a screech owl in the tree in our back yard. I spent many a
sleepless night after that waiting for the grim reaper to show up at any
second.

Thanks for sharing, Neil. It's a sheer pleasure listening.
Check out my latest song called Carol of the Basses
jiguma said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
Ghosts of memories
Thanks for the listen and the comment Joseph - it seems we may have more
in common than the confusion regarding our MJ names.
To me it's just such a shame that we don't begin to understand so many
things (child rearing, relationships, getting old to name a few) until it's
sometimes too late. There are a whole lot of things I wish I'd done or said
when dad was ill, but which I was too young to understand what I should say/
do or why at the time. Now that's possibly one of the worst sentences I've
written, but hopefully you get the idea.
Peace,
Neil

---
<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
Rebsie said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
A darker tide
I remember having a conversation in the chat window ages ago about a
song you were trying to write about your father. I don't know whether
this is the same song or not, but it's certainly got that punch which can
only be got from working with real feelings.

I love the way your songs manage to get the rhythm and the melody to
tumble over one another in such a way that they just blend together
and you can hardly tell which is which. This is darker than many of
your other songs but it still has that twinkling, rolling energy. Very
nicely done, Neil.
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jiguma said 4264 days ago (April 16th, 2006)
A darker tide
Thanks for the comment Rebsie. The idea for this started when we chatted,
but this has taken on a very different feel to what was originally intended - I
think I was thinking about jigs and reels at that stage! The feelings in this are
strong, that's for sure.
It's really interesting playing all the parts, as I find there is a common purpose
in the playing compared to when other people are involved (although I enjoy
that a lot also). I come from a musical background which required me to
anchor things with congas rather than drums, which has given me added
focus on rhythm in my bass (and guitar) playing.
Cheers,
Neil

---
<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
snowdragon said 4265 days ago (April 15th, 2006)
nice pickin'
from a low-ender :)

reminds me of of the Mark-Almond John Mayall days.
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jiguma said 4264 days ago (April 16th, 2006)
nice pickin'
Voice loud enough Craig? : )
Cheers,
Neil

---
<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
Mackie said 4265 days ago (April 16th, 2006)
Very good!
I like this songs very. You have a very good tempo. Good gutairs.



Very good!!

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jiguma said 4264 days ago (April 16th, 2006)
Very good!
Thanks for your comment Mackie, and thanks for writing it in English - you
may remember that my Swedish is a bit "funny" : )
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
said 4264 days ago (April 16th, 2006)
Great song
This really builds throughout, and you carry your nice vocals throughout. The mix is clean and well balanced, just a great piece of work. I really dig the poetry as well. Thanks for this.

. - Harold

PS: I downloaded this to play it, for some reason the song "Pops" in at the beginning
jiguma said 4264 days ago (April 16th, 2006)
Great song
Hi Harold,
Thanks for downloading and for commenting - not sure why it would be
popping. Perhaps a second try at downloading might solve the problem - I
haven't noticed this.
Cheers,
Neil

---
<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
echoroom said 4264 days ago (April 16th, 2006)
ship shape
Great mix and wonderful guitar sound - a kinda see what jmt means
about the blue aeroplanes, but it also reminded me a little of Live.

It's great to hear such a mature piece of work, which gets in your head
without being obviously 'catchy'.

Great stuff.


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jiguma said 4264 days ago (April 16th, 2006)
ship shape
Thanks echo - I guess when one reaches a certain age, your music gets
"mature", and I take it as a compliment that you used that word. I've played
this guitar style on my 12 string Maton most of my life, but only went to 6
string about 10 months ago - the transition gave me some interesting
sounds I was previously unaware of. I really must check Blue Aeroplanes!
Cheers,
Neil

---
<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
ktb said 4264 days ago (April 16th, 2006)
wow
jiguma, this is choice. the progression is very original and your vocal
weaves the excellent lyrical content perfectly. this kept me involved
from the git go. the mix was nicely balanced and the backing tracks all
sounds like they were played in real time? ah, just read below
(DoD)...excellent job. This is a fav. You have a great voice and I enjoy
your songwriting.
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jiguma said 4264 days ago (April 16th, 2006)
wow
Thanks for the kind comments John. Bottom line for me is that I'm really
enjoying the new found outlet that MJ and Logic Express have given me, and
really pleased that other people enjoy it too. Now that I've started using midi
drums, I can't really ever see me going back to any sort of drum loops (except
some percussion loops, some of which are amazingly good). I still find the
occasional instrumental loop useful though. For years I played around with
unusual chord progressions, but never did anything with them - I thought I'd
lost them, but they are filtering back in bits and bobs, whhich I'm really happy
about. I'm also getting happier withh my production skills as I go on.
Cheers,
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
thoddi said 4263 days ago (April 17th, 2006)
I picked up my guitar...
.. and jammed along. Nice piece againg Neil:) Your special choices of chordprogression is a trademark for you, and a challenge for me to follow while jamming along;)
Great drum programming. You've made a well balanced mix.
The lyrics about your toughts and fears is well written, and I guess most people will relate to them.
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jiguma said 4263 days ago (April 17th, 2006)
I picked up my guitar...
Hey Thor! Good to see you leave a comment - how's KONTRABEAT going? I
just use those chords to confuse you! This one is special for me - partly for
the lyrical content, but also for the way it developed from nothing much into
one of my favourites (of mine). Glad you dropped in to have a listen,
Takk,
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
FEEL said 4263 days ago (April 17th, 2006)
Nice Progression
Really liked the lyrics and progression to this composition. The acoustics are right on especially where they dual and the progression and bass match well. I still think of my father too. Thanks for reminding me to do so again.

Regards,
John
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jiguma said 4263 days ago (April 17th, 2006)
Nice Progression
Thanks for listening John - I'm on never-ending search for interesting chord
progressions (preferably in one of the few keys I can sing in!). Next step is to
explore different tunings a bit more. Pleased that the lyrics connected with
you.
Cheers,
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
kevmikwa said 4263 days ago (April 17th, 2006)
Stop it!
Neil, I'm afraid you're showing up all us live drummers with your work. With your MIDI pencil (and your fine drum soundfont) you've managed to achieve a very full, dynamic, human drum part with excellent variations and accents. You really do think like a drummer - I'll attribute that to your bass background.

I really like the hi-hat grabs during some of your ride parts (1.02 and 1.09, for example). I like the fade on the verse - really original. If I was going to pick a nit, I would say that there are a couple of spots in the song where the guitars are pushing against the drums ever so slightly - leading them just a smidge. In the final tally, it's just the effect of the song breathing - it only becomes noticable against the mechanical coldness of your DAW's metronome. The tempo variation at the very beginning of the song is much harder to spot because there aren't any drums around to provide a frame of reference.

You asked me about whether a drummer could pull off what you've written live. The only part that would present a challenge is where you have 8 sixteenth notes on a ride bell while the rhythm continues on hats and snare (like at 1.51). The tempo is slow enough that it's no problem for most drummers to play one-handed sixteens. The problem is the lone hit where the drummer would be required to hit (1) closed hats, (2) snare and (3) a cymbal bell simultaneously. Three sticks is one too many (for humans, anyway). But it happens so infrequently that it simply doesn't affect the "believability" of your drums.

Great stuff, brother! Keep it coming.
jiguma said 4263 days ago (April 17th, 2006)
Stop it!
Thanks for the detailed comment Mike, I really appreciate you taking time to
have a listen from a drummer's point of view. I know what you mean about
those few spots where I get ahead of myself - I heard it too, but short of re-
recording it all, couldn't see a way around it at the time. After doing some
more drum pencilling over Easter, I realised I can (of course) simply move the
offending drum/hi-hat hits to fit my rhythm (rather than me having to fit the
rhythm the machine dictates). I'll play around with this a bit and see what
happens.
Thanks for listening so closely that you could pick out the bits where three
arms were required : ) This is the sort of thing I need to know so I can get
the drumming as "real" as possible.
I'm really happy with how natural the drum soundfont (nskit7) sounds.
Take care - hope fatherhood is agreeing with you.
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
kevmikwa said 4262 days ago (April 18th, 2006)
Stop it!
>After doing some more drum pencilling over
>Easter, I realised I can (of course) simply
>move the offending drum/hi-hat hits to fit
>my rhythm (rather than me having to fit the
>rhythm the machine dictates).

Yup, that's what I do when someone sends me a song that's "breathing" so much it's hyperventilating: I just tweak the drums to fit the performance. My best example - the 3rd verse of "Black and Blue" (http://www.macjams.com/song/17729) by bizarre. I don't think of the speed-ups and slow-downs as a bad thing - people are just feeling the song and being moved ... how can that be a bad thing?

>This is the sort of thing I need to know
>so I can get the drumming as "real" as
>possible.

Most pro rhythm tracks are not performed in one go. Overdubs happen - and they're actually more prevalent than one might think. I would consider your sixteenth-note bell figure in "Ghosts" an accent, and it's likely that it would have been recorded its own track. It actually reminds me of a similar part in Aerosmith's "Walk This Way" that was definitely recorded in multiple passes. So even though your current drum track might have a spot or two that a drummer couldn't pull off live, it's still as "real" a drum RECORDING as anything out there - well done.

>Take care - hope fatherhood is agreeing
>with you.

I appreciate that, thanks. Sleep? Who needs it?
Tadashi Togawa said 4262 days ago (April 18th, 2006)
Power and beauty.
I felt power from this song.
And, there is beauty, too.
It is a wonderful song.

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jiguma said 4261 days ago (April 19th, 2006)
Power and beauty.
Thank you Tadashi-san! I always appeciate your comments.
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
grah3am said 4262 days ago (April 18th, 2006)
Bass
I like all the instruments on this, but the bass is oustanding.
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jiguma said 4259 days ago (April 21st, 2006)
Bass
Thanks Graham - I think the bass on Ghosts either appeals or not, and after
hearing it on
a few systems, am beginning to think that how much you like it might depend
on how you have your system set up. It sounds good to me on headphones,
my work car, and on my NAD system at home, but sounds a bit average on my
daughter's Bose theatre sound set up (and, strangely enough in my new
Subaru), where it seems very boomy. I appreciate all comments, but am
especially pleased when I get a positive one regarding my bass playing.
Glad you left this one.
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
said 4262 days ago (April 18th, 2006)
I am honored that you came by and
left a comment on my paltry piece compared to this.

You have a great voice, you sound 25 and you have the stylings of an old
old soul.

Im truly blown away Neil, downloading. right. now.
jiguma said 4259 days ago (April 21st, 2006)
I am honored that you came by and
Hi Jason, glad you visited for a listen. "Sound 25" eh ......... where do I send that
money again? Really glad you liked this - a pleasure to welcome you to the
site.
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
Doadars Uncle said 4262 days ago (April 18th, 2006)
Wow Man!
Got a great "thump" to it. Full bodied!

Keep making music, keep making music, keep making music, ...
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jiguma said 4259 days ago (April 21st, 2006)
Wow Man!
Thanks Doug - I love these short, sweet comments!!
: )
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
K.I.S.KISMET said 4262 days ago (April 18th, 2006)
If
my ears could smile:) Wonderful writing and playing. Work to aspire to. Bravo!
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jiguma said 4259 days ago (April 21st, 2006)
If
Smiling ears - I'd like to see that!
Cheers,
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
Nolan said 4262 days ago (April 18th, 2006)
You just keep coming out with them!
Nice one Neil. Got that Jiguma sound I love.

Funny about the "air drums": I'm always getting in trouble for that
business. I play guitar but I rarely play air guitar. If I'm feeling a song
the hands just take off! Love it.

Fantastic acoustic sound. Awesome bass and drums. Love it mate.
Check out my latest song called And Say We're Happy
jiguma said 4259 days ago (April 21st, 2006)
You just keep coming out with them!
Glad you liked it Nolan! Air drums rule!
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
TobinMueller said 4261 days ago (April 19th, 2006)
Fabulous
So good. Great groove, greater lyrics, wonderful guitar textures, fantastic
bass playing. My ears still want the harmony line vocals to line up more
precisely, to be tighter throughout (unless there is a specific reason to
not), especially at "good care" and "wandering by lone (second time)" and
a few "s" word endings; plus there are times the snare is not spot on
rhythmically and that bugs my ears too, making me think it is not a real
player but MIDI. The first note seems to be cut into a bit, and I'd rather
have a second of silence than that; and I'd prefer no fade, or a fade only
after the last lyrics is song, a faded instrumental, cuz it cheats my ears in
a way I don't think you intend. However, I say all this only becuz this is a
fabulous song and I want the track to be just as perfect. Fabulous song.
Check out my latest song called Momentary Undertow
jiguma said 4261 days ago (April 19th, 2006)
Fabulous
Thanks Tobin for listening so closely. Really pleased that you liked it, and
really appreciative of your thoughtful comments. As you are probably aware,
tightness has never been my forte (although I'm trying harder these days),
especially where vocals are concerned. Usually I do tracks with only one or
two (max three) takes - in this case, the harmony vocal was done as an
afterthought in one take while waiting for my coffee to brew. I think the bass
was first take (maybe second). The reason for this is that I've found on a few
occasions that the more I try to perfect a song, the more "flat" it becomes.
Doing it with quick takes seems to give a more "live" feel, which is really what
I like most about the songs of mine which have "worked" for me.
The fade was connected to the lyrics here - "“It’s time to come away” he said
I follow and he leads me there
It’s time to go away from here
I follow and he leads me there", and I kind of liked that.
Having said all that, I'm thinking of tidying up enough songs for a CD in the
second half of this year, and your comments will definitely form a basis for
the "clean-up" of this song. The snare problem is the first thing on the list
of improvements to the next version.
Again, I really appreciate the honesty and insight in your comments.
Cheers, Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
VicDiesel said 4261 days ago (April 19th, 2006)
Cool stuff
Excellent song writing, good playing and singing. Great stuff all around.

(But as a bass player I think your bottom line could use a little
improvement.)
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jiguma said 4260 days ago (April 20th, 2006)
Cool stuff
Thanks Vic, really interested in hearing some more detail regarding any
suggestions you might have regarding the bass, I'm pretty keen to get the
bottom end as good as I can. Maybe an email?
Glad you stopped by, appreciate the comment.
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
caroline said 4261 days ago (April 19th, 2006)
aww jiggyneil....
... my dad knew this poem by heart too - i use the opening line as one of my ichat messages - thank you for bringing him back to me so vividly - he will have been gone a year next month!! your tune and lyrics are lovely so i did enjoy my visit in a bitter sweet way - this is the last thing i am listening too before going to sleep - i know it'll be rolling around in my head as i close my eyes - xoxoxoxo and d/l!
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jiguma said 4260 days ago (April 20th, 2006)
aww jiggyneil....
Caro, really pleased this was one that you could relate to - it's a really
interesting bit of poetry, and obviously one that fathers of those of us "of a
certain age" liked.
Hope it helped with good memories.
Cheers,
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
Warren Smith said 4260 days ago (April 20th, 2006)
some general thoughts
With age comes plenty of memories we'd like to forget - or at least shove in a drawer away from view - but one of the nice things about moving on along the time line is when, as a songwriter, one matures into one's own unique identity. This has obviously happened with your music (and maybe it has been that way for some time). These songs you have posted on macjams are such a delight to hear for a number of reasons, such as their wide range of subject matter covering broad social or philosophical ponderings to the minutia of every day existence, or the densely woven textures of sound where every little component contributes something towards creating an organic wholeness, or the quiet but confident delivery of your mellow vocals, but what I find so outstanding is the distinctly recognizable style emanating from these pieces. You've absorbed what past masters had to offer, weaving in those antecedents as natural dyes in your work, but you've gone on to fabricate your own unique personal tapestries. It feels both old as the hills and fresh as the new century at the same time.

No - what's even better is that, given this apparent maturation, you are still experimenting with new concepts - like chord progressions - which suggest more innovative possibilities lie ahead. Who knows where it will lead? I find it very exciting ... and I'm thankful that, by being a part of the macjams community, I can listen in while it is happening.
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jiguma said 4260 days ago (April 20th, 2006)
some general thoughts
Thanks so much for taking the time to ponder on this and write down your
thoughts Warren! I note from your bio page that we are of a similar vintage,
and I too made my first (reel to reel) recording in 1967 when I (well, at least my
mum) bought my first electric guitar (a pink Ibanez strat copy - with tremelo
arm!) and amp (not sure what brand it was, but it had brilliant tremelo and
reverb). The song was a version of a Beatles instrumental, and I thought it was
so cool at the time!
Then followed maybe 9 years of playing bass in bands (good and bad), and the
inevitable let down followed by travel and "putting away" my instruments
(except for a few forays into covers bands) while I set up a life as an
"education professional" in the wilds of the "Deep South" coast of NSW. The
discovery of MJ and initially Garagaband (now Logic Express) gave me the
chance to unleash all those years of unwritten and unrecorded songs. Having
a bit of life experience under the belt certainly helps in lyric writing, and
having been out of the band scene for so long means I am fairly fresh about
musical ideas (and not jaded). The chord progressions come from never
really learning "proper" guitar chords as a bass player, meaning that I just try
whatever comes to mind.
Enough ranting - Yours is one of the most rewarding comments I've received
here, and I appreciate your interest in my progress very much indeed.
Thanks Warren!
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
Warren Smith said 4259 days ago (April 21st, 2006)
the twang of it
It's just the opposite for me - I can remember the name of my first amp (a Fender, including dials for tremelo and reverb, which allowed me to mimic the Rolling Stones imitating Bo Diddley!), but the label on my first electric guitar draws a blank. Some kind of imitation Stratocaster. It was your mention of the tremelo arm that triggered the memory of it. I could pull up (or push down) on the bar once to stretch the strings, but upon attempting the second twanging all of the strings promptly went out of tune. Then the screw would gradually loosen and the bar would fall out at random moments. One day it fell out and I never bothered to put it back in.

After I posted my comments I thought of a couple more things I wanted to say about how you construct your songs, but I'll save those for a later effort. I'll mention this: for the rest of the day I walked around with the chorus from "Too Many Ghosts" humming through my head.
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jiguma said 4259 days ago (April 21st, 2006)
the twang of it
Must have been the same guitar from your description - the tremelo was
definitely an end of song option only : )

I think my amp was a Vox, now I've had time to think about it.
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
stevel said 4258 days ago (April 22nd, 2006)
A great track
I think this might be your best tune yet...the playing really flows, I also
really like the acoustic textures on this one. The production is great
too...sounds nice and open, you keep all the instrumental/vocal elements
in harmony without sounding cluttered. I need to listen again to
concentrate on the vocals/lyrics now
Nice one
Steve

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jiguma said 4258 days ago (April 22nd, 2006)
A great track
Cheers Steve - I'm pretty happy with this one, both production and playing
wise. Glad you liked it.
Appreciate your comments as always,
Neil

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<a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19541"> Ship Of Fools </a> & <a href="http://www.macjams.com/song/19990"> Too Many Ghosts</a>
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
said 4244 days ago (May 6th, 2006)
Can't stop
humming the chorus. Very nice indeed.
Pete_NB said 3504 days ago (May 15th, 2008)
Thanks to the Blog
For shining the light on this gem. You really do have a unique voice (not just your singing) that is riveting to take in.

I'll be sure to give your collection a more extensive listen.

I hope your Dad had a chance to hear you putting out this kind of music. I think he would have been proud.
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lavalamp said 3444 days ago (July 14th, 2008)
Neil
The new Dave- GOOD THINGS: The bass, the structure of the song and lyrics.

THINGS THAT COULD BE BETTER: The voice up a bit, acoustic is nice, but too much up front, and percussion could be brought up a touch. ( I think the vocals could have a dreamy FX on the far sides L/R, maybe a little backward thing)

Real Rating- 7.88
MJ rating- 9.50

You asked for honesty. Hope you appreciate it. I think you were right on the forum. I think this is what a lot of us want.

Dave
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lavalamp said 3444 days ago (July 14th, 2008)
Will Fave
Not just sunshine.
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jiguma said 3443 days ago (July 15th, 2008)
Thanks Dave!
Yes, this is the sort of thing I was thinking. It's interesting that you picked this one because its the one song I gave to Ikhabod Pain to review and he panned it rather brutally. As a result, it was the end of the old, slack jiguma who posted as soon as a new idea came into his head and the start of me taking more care with my posts.

I'm afraid I'm beginning to feel that the voting system here is doomed - see my latest post on the forum (and check the voting on the "Music" page.

Thanks for taking me seriously Dave, I appreciate that.

Cheers,
Neil
Check out my latest song called We End Up Being All The Same (42)
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