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Here's a little number that is supposed to be kind of 60's pop sounding. Below is a list of questions I could use feedback on.

If anyone has any tips on how to record with a mic in GB and get it to blend with the software instruments I would be very appreciative. The vocals almost sound like they have effects on them, but there isn't (a touch of reverb, but for some reason they sound chorused even completely dry). To keep the levels consistant, shuold I be recording with compression on? I try to sing consistantly, but i'm not a real singer.

The guitar also sounds a little thin. granted, it's an archtop with dead strings, but maybe I should have used the 58 on it.

also I have a hard time getting a clean bass sound to be decent sounding and consistant in the levels.
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Lyrics
I could tell you a story
I could tell you a secret or two
I could plant you a garden
what does that really say?

I could show you my footprints
I could show you the scar on my back
I could give you a dollar
what does that really say?

since I met you, I knew that I loved you
and I told you so, but you told me first
I forget and I take you for granted
but I love you more everyday, it's true

we could go to the movies
we could travel the world for a year
we could visit your sister too
what does that really say?

I could tell you a story
I could tell you a secret or two
I could plant you a garden
what does that really say?

since I met you, I knew that I loved you
and I told you so, but you told me first
I forget and I take you for granted
but I love you more everyday, it's true

i could tell you a secret
we could go to the movies
i could give you a dollar
what does that really say?
what does that really say?
what does that really say?

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Hits: 3967
Comments: 24
Fans: 6
Plays: 91
Downloads: 134
Votes: 2
Uploaded: Aug 19, 2007 - 02:34:46 PM
Last Updated: Aug 19, 2007 - 02:34:46 PM Last Played: Jan 28, 2017 - 11:50:04 AM
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Hardware:
intel mac-mini, m-audio 49e midi keyboard,harmony broadway archtop acoustic, mxl usb mic
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GB
Comments
drakonis said 3746 days ago (August 19th, 2007)
Pop goes the 60s
This is a great song, as usual... your singing is quite good, and although I don't exactly hear the "chorusing" effect, it does sound like some additional room ambience mixed with the reverb, giving a bit of a "boxed-in" sound. Did you record close to the mic and turn the gain down, to minimize room reverb? That's the only thing I can think of. The overall mix does seem slightly thin, but not too bad. And I admit I didn't care much for the sweeping windy-synthy-thingie, it was distracting and didn't add to the song. Them's my thoughts :-) Good to hear another from you!
ttfn,
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michael2 said 3746 days ago (August 19th, 2007)
drak
thanks for the comments, i always appreciate your honesty. as for the synth noise, i can never do a traditional pop arrangement as it's just not in my blood (taste is a funny thing huh?). the tips on recording the mic are a great idea. i record in a small room that is basically an enclosed porch turned into an office(wood clapboard walls). and you are right (as usual): when I pulled further away from the mic, the room sound took over. since I don't have a laptop to use in the real studio downstairs (and moving this computer is not an option), maybe i'll try putting some foam in a box and sing in it. like a poormans vocal booth. thanks for listening, and I'm glad you liked the song itself.
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Reinholt56 said 3746 days ago (August 19th, 2007)
A great song.....
Hi Michael, I thought the concept and performance of the song were excellent. It had my full attention from the intro.

Technically. I'll have to listen a few more times. I can't think of anything at the moment that I would suggest. The singing and words captured my full attention.

Take care.

Paul.
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michael2 said 3746 days ago (August 19th, 2007)
thanks Paul
i'm glad you like the song, and certainly appreciate you taking the time out for a few listens. Like Drak, you are always good for a well thought out honest response. thanks for stopping by.
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said 3746 days ago (August 19th, 2007)
hey
What a great song! I would like to help you. so this song could be all it can be. To me I like the effects and the singing is upfront and very clear.The bass sounds fine but I do hear what your talking about. Do you use M adio to hook straight in and if yes are you recording in as audio or midi. Overall its a very enjoyable song lots of catchy things to keep you interested. My favorite in the song is the beeping kind of synth that is just a step behind everything else! Enjoyed this one much!
michael2 said 3746 days ago (August 19th, 2007)
thanks
on this song I used the keyboard for a bass, recorded it late last night so I didn't want to bust out the real thing. i think i may try plugging the bass into GB next time. thanks for trying to help, any suggestions are welcome; and I'm glad you like the song.
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echoroom said 3746 days ago (August 19th, 2007)
Excellent track
Michael - this is ace - your voice has never sounded better, and I love the 60's pop-tune mixed with the synths. Vox sounds like it was recorded in a live room - doesnt sounded chorused to me. I like the mix - could do with a little more bottom end maybe (have you tried mixing two bass sounds together?).

A pop gem.

Steve
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michael2 said 3746 days ago (August 19th, 2007)
aha
mixing 2 bass sounds together is something I haven't tried. that's a good idea though, I think I will give it a shot. everything is so thin sounding (guitar and the drums especially), it could definitely use some bottom end. i'm glad that you like the song. thanks for listening, and for the idea.
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bud said 3746 days ago (August 19th, 2007)
What a great track
completely unique and enjoyable. Your voice is excellent here - reminds me a little of Harry Nilson. Personally I like every aspect of this production - I guess I'm not very picky - but I agree with some of the suggestions made by others. The most important thing though is to keep your spontaneous live feel no matter what you do to "improve" your production. Oh - the backup vocals were great.
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michael2 said 3746 days ago (August 19th, 2007)
thanks Bud
appreciate the kind words. this one came pretty easy, i think i was inspired by the Target commercial I saw (had the Apples in Stereo as a soundtrack).
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said 3746 days ago (August 19th, 2007)
Sounds very good to me
Is your mic stereo? Are you getting some phase by recording in stereo possibly?
michael2 said 3746 days ago (August 20th, 2007)
no
i recorded the vocals in mono, it started happening when I started to sing louder and backed off the mic. i used the same mic to record the guitar (seperately), could it get out of phase that way?
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said 3746 days ago (August 20th, 2007)
Hmmm
Its possible. If you have soundforge you could try inverting either the vocal recording or the guitar recording and see if it makes a difference (or send me the file and I'll do it for you)

b
michael2 said 3745 days ago (August 20th, 2007)
hey bryn
thanks for the kind offer, but i'm on to the next one already (the wife is coming home tomorrow an dplay time will be over for the most part). i may take a rain check on that though.
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Vic Holman said 3746 days ago (August 19th, 2007)
when the wifes away michael will play
not just mamas and papas there is some everly brothers as well.
Vocals up front and gooood!
I don't think you can get much bottom end out of a archtop. Mine doesn't

Overall it has been suggested to get some bottom end ( bass geetar) boosted. once thats done I think everything else will fit right into pace.
Of course there is also the Multiband compresor plug in that you can use on the master track. Works as a compressor and kind of a EQ across the sound field


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michael2 said 3746 days ago (August 20th, 2007)
bottom end
would be nice. i think i'm going to mess about with it some more. everly brothers huh? that would be nice.
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buckhorn said 3744 days ago (August 21st, 2007)
M2
You do have and endless supply of hits, and they continue to charm.......when I try to smooth out a vocal I use multiband compressor, one of the presets. If your having problems with midi base levels, try setting the key sensitivity to less sensitive, I find the keys too sensitive, especially if your used to playing a real piano, you could also go to the note editor and assign velocities to each note, but I don't think you'd want to do something that tedious. Latter
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cjdaley said 3743 days ago (August 22nd, 2007)
I like
the synth sounds in themselves, so I won't of complain of having them in the song, with their unpretententious, slightly wacky sounds, they add to the coolness of the song and its laidback rendering. For the rest, it's pure Michael2, a charming song with a moving undercurrent.
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SmokeyVW said 3738 days ago (August 27th, 2007)
neat - the next cool
i could see texting all this to my lover

well, maybe i'd send a link to here instead

actually, i'd just ask her to come over here and listen up right now.
yeah. she smiled.

it's new and it's old: a perfect combo

thanks!
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sarahjane said 3722 days ago (September 13th, 2007)
Classy and Fun
This song is reminiscent of the Beatles for me. Its very classy and fun...i loved it!
michael2 said 3721 days ago (September 13th, 2007)
thanks sarahjane
glad you liked the song. when i put the synths in i was thinking of Abbey Road a bit. welcome to MJ, hope to hear your stuff soon.
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Heightened said 3646 days ago (November 27th, 2007)
A list...
I love simple songs like this - especially when it is so well song!
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Bob6stringer said 2829 days ago (February 21st, 2010)
Thine humble minstrel on acid?
Archtops with dead strings? No prob; brand-new flat-wounds sound dead out of the package! Nice songwriting, vox, bkg chorus fx. And i tseems silly-simple but I dig the 7th leading into the chorus, perfectly natural, like the breezy harmonies. 1960s? Hmm... Donovan meets the Phluoresecent Leech & Eddie?

RE: "If anyone has any tips on how to record with a mic in GB and get it to blend with the software instruments," Here's my attenpt to help. I mix, I don't know how to master, and I'm all hack. That said, try thinning-out the lower half of your vox EQ. For starters, play with it in the AU Multiband compressor... even without compressing. EX: For my slightly megaphoned & distorted vox on my "Devil" tune, I used it to an extreme, boosting the mid-high band and really trailing-off on the lower 2 EQ bands. Memo me if you want a better discussion on this.
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alackbass said 1676 days ago (April 19th, 2013)
A List Is Not A Song
That "thin" guitar has tons of character and you are one hell of a singer. Downloaded!
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