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Retreat of the Dragons (Mark Holbrook Collab)


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The horns have called them away. They stretched their magnificent wings, and the sun shimmered on their lithe bodies as they drifted off through the early morning mists. Nobody was sure where they were going, and when (or if) they would return. But the sight of these beautiful creatures leaving us behind brought a great sorrow. That was long ago. In this age, all we have left is a vague memory of something lost in time. Behold, the retreat of the dragons.

Eduard: Mark Holbrook and I wanted to do a collaboration together ever since we got to know each other on MJ, but it took many months before we had time to even talk about it. One day he sent this absolutely breathtaking piano performance to me, and in his usual way, said "it isn't much, but maybe you can fix it up sometime." It sat in my to-do box for a couple more months as the holidays passed. Well, I will admit that I did indeed add about 3 notes to the beginning, and about 20 at the end, and altered 2 (count them) bum notes in the whole piece. Then I set to work trying to add some orchestral instrumentation to hilight some of the themes and showcase the playing. Here is the result. He had simply titled the piano piece "Retreat of the Dragons", so I came up with the paragraph above as my own interpretation. I hope you like this Mark Holbrook & Drakonis collaborative bit of fantasy. As always, I would love to hear any thoughts on how I can do a better job on the orchestration. Tell me what works for you, and what doesn't! And make sure to let Mark know about his piano and composing skills!

Super-special thanks to Yeman, Kassia, Magnatone, MarkH, and my wife for wonderful pre-release critiques that caused me to go back and rewrite and tweak even more to get this where it is now.

Mark: After meeting Eduard (Drakonis) on MacJams I took an instant liking to him and for a long time I was curious about his interest in Dragons.  I have read lots of fantasy over the years and I share his interest in the mythical and magical.

When I composed the piano piece... well maybe "composed" is not the best word because I sort of just play... I knew it had some sadness to it.  I think as I played it the first time I was thinking about Eduard, Dragons, fantasy stories.  I've always wondered if there was true magic in the world or if Dragons really ever existed in some form.   Regardless and real or not, they are mostly gone from this world with the exception of our own MacJams ambassador, Drakonis.   So the idea that the Dragons have retreated sort of came to mind.  That coupled with the sadness of the piece, "Retreat of the Dragons" seemed a fitting title.

I think I sent it to Eduard almost immediately since it was pretty much intended for him.  I hope you enjoy it as much as I have with Eduard's masterful touches!
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Feter said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
Retreat of the Dragons
Wo ...now who can dreamed of such a great colab ...
wonderful orchestration Draki ...wonderful piano ..
there s a marvelous touch and its all passionate thats
the touch or Mr.Mark ...this is all so amazing ...all
so real and haunting ...very wel writtena dn arranged
folks ...thank you for sharing such gem !!!!
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drakonis said 3014 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Feter the first
Feter, thank you as always for stopping in to listen and comment. Glad you felt the haunting passion of ancient wingbeats... it was wonderful to be able to collab with Mark!
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rabittwhole said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
:-]
:-] ... yep
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drakonis said 3014 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Wow, just... wow
A double-smile from Rabitt? Excellent, one for me, and one for Mark! Thank you Sir J.
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Roxylee said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
Flying... flying...
to a faraway land, shrouded in misty wonder. Beautifully done, with a depth of feeling that transcends the notes. Haha, Feter, I faved it first. On my second listen... it all fits together perfectly.
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drakonis said 3014 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Return of the Faver
Hard to get there before Feter, but you did it :-) Thanks, as always, for flying off on adventures in music... your short comment is poetic and warms my heart... so glad you like our offering. Mark never told me he played piano like this... what other secret powers does he possess?
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sloparts said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
I will miss them,
but at least we have this to help us recall their grace and beauty.

Wonderful Piano work Mark, absolutely wonderful. And what ever you added to it Eduard, you took nothing away. Your additions have made this a classic piece of work you can both be very proud of.

Bravo ! Kudos yo you both for a fantastic job.

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drakonis said 3014 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Sparkling shards of memory
Ed, this was definitely a labor of love for me, I enjoyed trying to wrap some more emotion and power around the piano part... well worth it if it is getting through and you liked it!
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dajama said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
Great
This is a great collab. The piano is indeed magnificent, and the orchestration works very well, I think. The strings are very nice; I especially like the deep rich tones, and the darker, more melancholy feeling they bring to the piano melody. Congrats, Mark, on a wonderful piano piece, and Kudos Eduard on the magnificent setting. Beautiful stuff. Tiny nit - there is a kind of click at around 1:38 - nothing too distracting, but thought you'd like to know. Nicely done, gents. Kudos. Peace.
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drakonis said 3014 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Click? How LAME!
There IS! I hear it too. That was using GB4's export-to-MP3 converter... I think I need to stop being lazy and instead use the LAME-AIFF-to-MP3 converter in Amadeus or something, dang, good ears!

I keep learning things each time I try these things. This was fun and interesting, and a few cases really challenging to do. And getting feedback to see what works and what doesn't helps a lot, so thank you for mentioning what you liked in it.

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ktb said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
very cool
always weaving a new musical idea, sort of hang gliding in the clouds. beautiful & peaceful.
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drakonis said 3014 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
excellent...
Ooh, thank you for swooping down out of the clouds to comment... very good to know we took you up there. I almost took up hang gliding as a kid, but decided to take up the more dangerous hobby of computers instead. Oh well. :-)
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kristyjo said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
Wonderful, sad and magnificent,
all at the same time. There were a couple of uncomfortable timing bits at 57 sec, and again at about 1:12, but then it all nestled into a dreamy, misty reverie. The french horn added a regal touch, and the strings their poignancy, and the woodwinds wove in their own special touches. Piano was nicely played, and the progressions had just the right balance between surprise and familiarity. Great collaboration.
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MarkHolbrook said 3015 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Hi KristyJo
The timing issues are all my own. I hear them too and I think Drak and I will work on a fix.

I really sent this track as a place to start. I had no idea he would meld it into a full piece. I figured there would be some "Mark... fix that or this..."

Thanks for the critique and input!
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drakonis said 3014 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Timing is everything
Funny, I didn't check with Mark after he sent me his initial piano piece, I just worked with what I got, and there were a couple of glaring spots I tweaked, but left and worked around the other spots by nudging my instruments around. There are still those spots you mention that bother Mark and I both too, and since this is getting both positive and critical reviews, I think Mark & I can revisit this and come up with a version 2 that fixes all those, and adds a little more here and there. So, my somewhat sparse orchestration and choice of instruments sounded good to you? I will keep this in mind and try not to mess up that direction on the remake :-) Thank you for the careful listen & comment.

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VicDiesel said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
Mental movies
Ok, this calls up the right images. Nice work.

If I may be honest, I don't think this is the strongest effort of either of you. A couple of things that I think bear improving.

There's something bothering me about the orchestration. The instruments sound too upfront. It wants to be a symphony orchestra, but there is no spaciousness to the sound. And various notes simply sound unfinished to me. That trombone at 0:15, the note stops too soon. Likewise the flute at 0:41.

The piano should lose some frequencies in the mix. It sounds too full to blend in with the orchestra. This is a pop piano, not a classical concertizing piano. And I appreciate that this is an improvised part, but there is rather a lot of that opening hook. I would have liked to see some development. Also, passages like 1:35 and on are more or less filler in the piano part, and the orchestra is not really doing anything meaningfull over it either.

Anyway.
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drakonis said 3014 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
I expect honesty
Excellent points, and very helpful suggestions.
-I backed OFF the "concert hall" reverb right before my final version, and lost some of the spaciousness, my mistake. Good catch.
-Also, suggestions for extending the notes are great. I'll try those.
-Piano sound I struggled with a lot, both relative volume, overall dynamics, and sample sound and EQ... and never got completely happy with it.
-The actual piano line is Mark's and he can probably rework this to add some development section or at least a refrain or C section for version 2 :-)
-The orchestration I added was intentionally light except in a couple of parts, but I can do a lot more with the little clarinet/flute motifs in different spots. Good detailed listen and thoughts, perfect! Thank you Victor. I will be seeing what I can do with these ideas.
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gail60 said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
beauty indeed
This is certainly a very pretty piece. Everything works well together. Lots of feelings and heartfelt emotions play throughout for me. Great job gentlemen. You just gotta love those dragons..... Awesome collab Eduard and Mark!! Not a piano player Mark???? Oh shut up! :) Terrific my friend. Thanks for sharing this
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drakonis said 3014 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Gail, the lady of emotional piano...
and this emotes for you? Yay! Hey Mark, we passed the Gail test! Whew.

Thank you for listening to our offering, glad you stopped by and enjoyed... I know Mark and I did!
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kassia said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
dragons
Eduard and Mark, this final version is beautiful. Wonderful original piano composition, Mark. I especially love your use of the low registers to give this some solidness and depth. Eduard, your choice of instruments is excellent. Love the horn calls that open and close the piece. There was a little call and response theme in the clarinet and flute that I would love to hear developed more. And to my ear those horns at the end really need to finish the piece with a final call, going up to the high note one more time.

The mix is full and rich. Great tone on the horns especially. This is lovely, gentlemen and definitely conjures up the imagery introduced by your great song notes. An excellent collaboration by two of my favorites. Thanks!
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drakonis said 3014 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Thank you Shay
Your ears and ideas and encouragement during development of this was very helpful. I worked on your suggestion of repeating the horn call more than once at the end, and that sounded better, but I couldn't get it to really sound right along with the idea of the ritardando at the end, so I had the horns go down instead of up... and I think that low note may be a bit low for a french horn, actually. So, that, along with more woodwind development is on the slate for version 2. Glad you like where it is heading!
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LunaTrick said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
Very nice and thoughtful arrangement
Good dynamics in the piano line - and tasteful orchestral textures behind. Thoroughly enjoyed!
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drakonis said 3014 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Textural...
that is what I was aiming for with the orchestration, not my usual bold melodic style, so this was a stretch for me... more of the movie-soundtrack "emotion-music" approach. Glad you liked this mind-meld of Mark and myself. Next up is a collaboration with a Daniel and an Eduard, I believe. :-) I'm off to start writing something brand new for Cello.
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EEFliess said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
Retreat...
wow, this is a very, Very, VERY nice collaboration...

Very eloquent and sophisticated...very good job!
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drakonis said 3014 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Eddieeee...
Mark's piano really was pretty, and I wanted to add to it without messing it up. Good to know that you enjoyed this. Of course, we dragons are very slow composers, unlike you, who seem to be able to whip out hits one a week. I must practice more!
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The Orbiting said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
Absolutely lovely
This is truly magical and Eduard you should be commended on how true you stayed to the flavor of Mark's original piano piece, which is warm and gorgeous. The new instrumentation is really lovely. the only suggestion I have is to perhaps revisit the flute sound, because it is the one thing that sounds overly synthesized to me, which is bizarre seeing as it came from JP4, usually I really like that flute. You did a really nice job with the strings.
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The Orbiting said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
Hmm
Reading Vic's comment, maybe some reverb on the flute would go a long way to making me happier with it, although it doesn't feel as though space is my issue with it.

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drakonis said 3013 days ago (January 22nd, 2009)
flat flute
Excellent critique (glad you like it overall)... I have no idea what happened to the flute. It is possible that she is off sulking, as I spent so little time fawning over her notes and timbre, as I did the other instruments. And sure enough, if I focus on it, the flute sounds bland and a bit muffled. There's very little vibrato, and the EQ may be wonked... I agree that it doesn't sound like the normal JP4 flute. I will definitely go back and fix that! Thank you for checking in, L(M), I very much appreciate your ear and comments!
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Char said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
I enjoyed
the vibrant, lyrical quality and I could see dancers interpreting this piece amidst a dry-ice haze. Some very pretty elements brightened the score, here and there and made this less sad than it would've been. ( I was humming and singing along.) Thank you.
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drakonis said 3013 days ago (January 22nd, 2009)
a smile for Char
Well well, less sad is OK with me... and if you're humming along with the music, that makes my day! Mark's main melody's been stuck in my head for weeks now, much like the Grapefruit song was.

Interpretive dragon dance... hmm... could be interesting. As long as it is beautiful women with long hair and lacy wings and slender tails in the mist. :-) OK, OK, there can be some handsome men with strong cheekbones and smirky smiles on stage too.

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MarkHolbrook said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
Ok it needs to be said
I played the piano... it was rough and tentative in places. I shipped it to Eduard and then I had nothing to do with it since.

That simply means that this master, this magician just took it, shook it and turned it into what you hear now. Excellent work Eduard. Excellent!

Thank you for letting me be a small part of this.
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drakonis said 3013 days ago (January 22nd, 2009)
What Mark doesn't know...
is that this tail/tale is only beginning. After getting to meet him in person, and work on this fun collaboration, there can only be more collaborative sessions between us, if he can put up with my slow, methodically plodding progress on things. Mark, you're a truly talented, enjoyable friend. Thank you again for this first opportunity, and here's to more! *clink*
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guitapick said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
A beauty...
...and a wonderful collaboration...beautiful piece, guys
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drakonis said 3013 days ago (January 22nd, 2009)
Great to hear from you
Thank you for listening and commenting, Bob... Mark's piano composition/playing really catapulted this piece.
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magnatone said 3016 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
Dragons
Congratulations Mark and Eduard - this really turned out well! I know the work, effort and care that went into eduard's orchestrating of this piece, and it's very cool to see how it's developed from the first run through i heard a ways back. Mark, your piano in here is moody, thoughtful and compassionate (and well played!). Eduard, your orchestration work really came together - i love your use of horns pulling together different phrasings. This is a terrific collaboration - my warmest congratulations to you both!
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drakonis said 3013 days ago (January 22nd, 2009)
Grateful thank-yous
Karen, you helped immensely (along with Shay) in suggesting little tweaks/changes, and catching the odd bum notes... your attention to detail, knowledge of music, and offering of your time to critique early drafts was such a help. Also, glad to know that when it finally came out, you came back to listen and comment, and still liked it! :-) Sorry I couldn't find a place to sneak in a Kalimba, timpanum, or cymbal crash... maybe next revision (smirk.)
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Sigmund said 3015 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
Impressive work
You guys have done a good job on this piece! You have captured the complex emotion of melancholy very well. I really like the intro - Drakonis - good job with arrangement on this! You may want to consider checking your timing at 42 seconds and again at 1:24 - while I am guessing the intent is to convey a human feel to the piece; a slight adjustment in those spots might enhance your work even further. Drakonis: Orchestration is something I am just beginning to learn, and I think I could pick up a thing or two from you! You made great use of many interesting symphony instruments who all shared the role of enhancing the piano melody. My only suggestion would be to give the piano a little more solo time after your introduction, but that's just me. Very enjoyable work - I listened to it several times!
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drakonis said 3013 days ago (January 22nd, 2009)
comps & crits
Excellent, thank you Sigmund for listening critically and offering ideas! I worked at trying to line the orchestration up under the piano, and yes, those early spots need some more work... I'm hoping Mark and I can revisit this and do a more polished rendition down the road. There was one spot later where I gave a solo piano part, but you may be right, it might want to be sooner, or in both places... I was trying to give a feeling of lots of orchestration/body near the beginning, but retreating to a more quiet ending. Very excited to know this was worth multiple listens! Thanks for the suggestions, I'm taking notes!
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sschedra said 3015 days ago (January 19th, 2009)
Drak
Love the piano piece, but the orchestration . . . Wow! I really think you did a great job of using the orchestral to support and enhance the basic themes. I must learn the secret of using the brass with the strings. Here is another excellent example. Orchestration strikes just the right levels and you know how to handle those tricky lower registers. Nice balance with the flute. Good sounds for the instruments too. Is that the Jam PAck 4?
Very well done maestro and Mark,
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drakonis said 3013 days ago (January 22nd, 2009)
Good to see you back!
Thank you for visiting. I enjoyed orchestrating this, and keep learning things myself. I really really wanted to use low trombones in here with the french horns and strings (gives a really strong brass feel)... but it kept overpowering the strings and french horns, so I went back my flute/clarinet standbys, and they added warmth and a bit more poignancy. The french horns don't stand out too much, but add a swell of gentle power that I really like. Yes, this is Jampack 4, with the addition of the Fitch cello mixed in my secret way :-)

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ted23 said 3015 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
:)
Loved your detailed description.
For me it does have a sad vibe to it.... Like your missing or leaving something and so it swirls with emotion. Really like that.
It makes me feel like i used to feel when the piano music at the end of the incredible hulk TV series used to come on. Remember that?
Such nice work.
drakonis said 3013 days ago (January 22nd, 2009)
incredible dragon hulks
I've sort of lost interest in TV over the past couple of decades, so I've missed the Hulk theme music, wonder who wrote it? However, this was my attempt at trying to do more of the emotional movie/background scoring, as opposed to my normal up-front hummable melodic music. Sooo... it sounds like it worked! Thank you for commenting and letting us know that it pulls on the heartstrings... you hear that Mark?
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CraizeeMusic said 3015 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Very moving!
I love the whole feel of the piece! Very full of emotion, longing, and almost a sense of loss. Just the right mixture to make a beautiful song!

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drakonis said 3013 days ago (January 22nd, 2009)
Marshall
Emotional tightrope balancing... that's what I was trying. Mark's music really laid the foundation for this sense of longing... I just pushed it a little further along. Good to see you back in these parts!
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composerclark said 3015 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Well done!
This is a beautiful work, and that it's nice to see two of my favorite macjammers collaborating. Congratulations and kudos to you both!

If I may offer some suggestions, I like the solemnity of the opening, and I like the brighter, more "up" feel to the piano based material that follows, but I am not really getting a sense of connection between the two. Perhaps it needs a longer opening section that moves more gradually into the feel of the next section.

Regarding the piano-based section, all the phrases appear to be of identical length, which creates a kind of rhythmic squareness and breaks up the flow; perhaps material could be composed that over-arches these phrases so as to create a feeling of longer lines. The piano part reminds me a bit of Hotel California...

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drakonis said 3013 days ago (January 22nd, 2009)
Yay Clark...
Always very good to see you, and thank you for great suggestions/ideas. The intro was completely my own idea, and I wrote 6 totally different intros before going with this one... and one of the earlier ones incorporated part of the piano motif in it, and then I forgot and lost that idea in later versions... so yes, I should have something that ties in better. I tried some arching stuff, but it was just simple chords and across-bar notes, the idea of a longer piano/orchestral section in the middle is a good one (Vic suggests an actual development section, which might stretch my knowledge to the breaking point :-) Hotel California? Really? I'll have to have some pink champagne on ice, and listen to this again. I'm taking notes and hope to work with Mark on an update later, so thank you for the ideas! And... do I sense something new from you coming soon?
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Henke said 3015 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Great colab!
Oh, someone already said that.. ;-) It's a very emotional song which might as well have been put in Cinematic Soundtrack for all the images it conjures...

I really like the piano line here, Mark! It's more or less up there with Magnatone, Kassia and Gail! Orchestration is something I have not a clue about. I think you have done a terrific job with it, Eduard, but I know you appreciate some "honest critique", so I'll try to give it a shot.

Piano first, though. My father would probably ask why the piano is used as percussion? I do not agree with this because a nice attack can be powerful. In this piece one might imagine present dragons rustling with their scales. The playing softens towards the end when the dragons retreat. (I'm reading Brisingr in the Eragon series right now so I know what I'm talking about ;-) My only advice here is to consider(!) softening the attack of a few relevant notes here and there in the begining...

Orchestration is "obviously" set up with the aid of Harmony Assistant. I could hear that early on in the piece. I think the notes I am thinking of especially have been mentioned by others above, those ending a bit abruptly etc. Some instruments seem not to have reached their full potential. With this I think I mean that extra volume/space is needed. For instance the horns at the end should go right through bone and marrow! (while the piano might step back a little in the mix at that point). Again, no clue of how to make that happen :-( This last thing; I wonder if maybe you have been a little too reverent towards Marks' piano piece in the mix. Understandably, yes, but maybe you could try to put the orchestra more upfront in the mix, at least at times and especially towards the end, and maybe, like someone suggested above, let the piano solo a little bit towards the end of the first half or so.

It's depressing not to be able to sit with you by a computer with GB (or Logic) over a coffee and talk about this and test some mixing strategies, but there you are. It's such a good piece of music and I think it will be worth every minute you care to put down to enhance it even further. Maybe Vic said the keyword here: blend piano and orchestra to a coherent mix. You're almost there already!

Hope all is well over there!

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MarkHolbrook said 3014 days ago (January 21st, 2009)
Hello Henrik!
Wow...

I really like the piano line here, Mark! It's more or less up there with Magnatone, Kassia and Gail! Orchestration is something I have not a clue about. I think you have done a terrific job with it, Eduard, but I know you appreciate some "honest critique", so I'll try to give it a shot.

To be placed even within several kilometers of Kassia, Magnatone, and Gail would be amazing... Thank you so much sir!

Originally I considered sending the piano to one of those masters and asking them to "do it right" but I wanted to see if Drak would work his magic first and man did he!

Thank you so much for the comments Henrick!
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drakonis said 3012 days ago (January 23rd, 2009)
Henrik weighs in
Thank you for listening and critiquing... good points. The "Piano as percussion" is partly the way I used Mark's piano MIDI recording in GB, I tried to soften the attack and release to give it more flow, but it probably needed more.

Good points on de-MIDIfying the oter parts, I did some, but others snuck through and broke the spell. I'll fix them in the next version, and I will keep it in mind for future pieces. I may ask you to listen early and see if I can pass the Henke test? :-) Great feedback, and even with that, glad you like it so far.

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sheilad said 3015 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
The dragons left too soon
I could have gone on listening longer, watching the dragons drift away... What a beautiful piece.
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drakonis said 3012 days ago (January 23rd, 2009)
We're never COMPLETELY gone...
Thank you for enjoying the dream... and I'm happy to know you wanted it to continue... so, it will. Mark and I will do an extended version soon :-)
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ShadowofNine said 3015 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
Wonderful
Track...enjoyed...
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drakonis said 3012 days ago (January 23rd, 2009)
Thank you for joining in
Welcome to Macjams, and thank you for listening to this and enjoying it... Mark and I had fun creating it!
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richard13 said 3015 days ago (January 20th, 2009)
This is a wonderful piece of music.
I'll leave detailed critique to others who know better than I how it might be improved. All I know is that I've listened to it three times while reading the other comments, and it sounds great. Also, I've d/l'd it and I'm quite sure when I listen to it again, I'll still enjoy it. Thank you both.
Cheers, Richard.
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drakonis said 3012 days ago (January 23rd, 2009)
A wonderful compliment
It is an exciting compliment to know that you will download and listen to this, thank you! Enjoy!
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leap4rog said 3014 days ago (January 21st, 2009)
Love the composition
and the prose. It gives me inspiration on what to do next with "Wasn't Enough."

That piece of mine was inspired by thinking about polar bears and how they've tried to let us know about how we're making the arctic ice retreat and, thus, making their numbers retreat.

I guess this collaboration really triggered some more creative thoughts on that theme. So thank you.
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drakonis said 3012 days ago (January 23rd, 2009)
Yes!
This is what's cool about music on Macjams, its this big synergistic magnet of ideas that we bounce off each other. Hopefully we wake up and pay more attention around us, because the "ice" is melting under OUR feet too. Good luck spreading the message.
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borisluxx said 3014 days ago (January 21st, 2009)
Simply...
a beautiful piece of music, guys! The piano is awesome! Great production. Fav'd! Take really good care, and hope all is well with you in the new year.

-Richard
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drakonis said 3010 days ago (January 25th, 2009)
A new year of music
This was a fun collab, Mark is wonderfully talented. Thank you for stopping in, Richard... and I wish you the best in this new year too.
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Kicbal said 3013 days ago (January 22nd, 2009)
Full of feeling
There is an interesting transition that takes place about halfway through the song. the first half almost has this World of Warcraft vibe, epic and bold, but then things get very emotive and tender in the 2nd half. Probably something to do with the chord progressions, and the perfect and subtle orchestration behind the super-nice piano performance. I like the whole piece but love the 2nd half. Nice collab.
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drakonis said 3010 days ago (January 25th, 2009)
transitions...
I was trying to get a feeling of anxiety and power up to the middle, then a relaxation and sadness near the end, so it sounds like I came close. Thanks for listening... I hope to revisit this and extend it a bit and fix some of my oopses in there.
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Moviz said 3013 days ago (January 22nd, 2009)
Such beautiful
playing of an equally beautiful piece of music. it just needs a film to be played to on the very theme that Drak suggests above. Lovely piano and wonderful accompaniment, regards to both of you, M
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drakonis said 3010 days ago (January 25th, 2009)
The film is in your head
Glad to sweep you away for a bit with this, Maurice.. thank you for commenting and I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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jgurner said 3013 days ago (January 22nd, 2009)
I once...
...went to a Retreat of the Dragons. It was one of those corporate weekend retreat things. There's nothing like taking part in team building exercises with a 40-foot dragon....

This is absolutely beautiful. I can see the clouds and feel the wind. And Eduard's intro really paints a great scape for the piece. Really, really wonderful guys.
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drakonis said 3010 days ago (January 25th, 2009)
Yo Joe
I've avoided those corporate retreat things, because they always need ME to be there, what is it with surprising people with dragons, sheesh! And I'm only 20 feet... OK, 25 feet on tippy toes.

Glad you liked the intro. I have all these discarded intros before picking that one, maybe I'll do a piece that is just a bunch of intros sometime? They're hard to come up with, I should do SOMETHING with them.
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loricunningham said 3011 days ago (January 24th, 2009)
Awe inspiring
Beautiful relaxing piece of music. Just wonderful! I could listen again and again.
drakonis said 3010 days ago (January 25th, 2009)
Welcome!
And feel free to bop the download button to listen again and again, what a wonderful compliment! I need to track down your album now!
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paul f. page said 3010 days ago (January 25th, 2009)
Medieval...
...those opening low string chords are really cool, Eduard. ... Oh, and the entry of the piano just spills out of the whole sound pad beautifully. (You're using a new piano? Great sound.) In a number of your older pieces you use the clarinet so effectively, and you do so again here. It is the perfect mid-mellow instrument to choose... There is something about THIS composition that is pushes your previous writing to a much different (and higher) level of maturity and development. What a nice direction you have chosen here: pleasant, a little dark, and developed with intelligent orchestration and a sensitive mix of your orchestration. (Can you tell I like this very much?)
Peace.
Paul
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drakonis said 3010 days ago (January 25th, 2009)
Those opening chords...
they seem to be a cygneture for me... I realized after settling on them that they were familiar... and sure enough, that is almost the same opening (with cellos even) that I have for my very first music post here (Rainy March.) So good to hear that you approve of the orchestration choices... I have been slowly studying and trying things, and this music theory stuff (although it goes slowly when studying on my own) is starting to make more sense. Some time this year, I am going to write that fugue, grrr!
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said 3007 days ago (January 28th, 2009)
good grief -
sorry I'm late. Why I didn't know you play keys, too, Mark?

This is a nice piece in a 'get together'. I won't venture to critique in depth, because it sounds rather nice to me and I'm not qualified anyway.

. - Harold
drakonis said 3006 days ago (January 29th, 2009)
Always great to see you Harold
I don't know, you're qualified to have made some really cool music here too. Thank you for listening and enjoying our little get-together.
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bud said 3005 days ago (January 30th, 2009)
Wow - this really does evoke a lot of feelings
feelings of loss and wonder - hope and resignation - sadness and joy. Excellent work on your part Drak to bring out and enrich the fine piece delivered to you by Mark. This is great stuff. I really have no criticisms - I found the whole arrangement balanced and effective. Mark - that's some wonderful piano playing.
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drakonis said 3005 days ago (January 30th, 2009)
heart-tugging music
It's an elusive type of music for me, I love it, just never knew how to write it well... but Mark's piano work was already there, I just attempted some peaks and valleys to emphasize emotions :-) I am very glad to know it worked well for you and felt balanced. Thank you for lending an ear and comment, Kevin, always glad to see you!
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Alannah said 3002 days ago (February 2nd, 2009)
Wow is right !
... beautiful ... and so full of robust richness ....
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drakonis said 3001 days ago (February 3rd, 2009)
full of robust richness?
That sounds like my coffee this morning! Thank you for getting swept away with Mark and I on dragon's wings.
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teptep said 3000 days ago (February 4th, 2009)
very nice
very smooth, this is a nice melody I could see myself listening to on a long drive out in the country, placing this thing on loop, very peaceful tones.
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drakonis said 3000 days ago (February 4th, 2009)
over and over
Hey, now that is a great compliment, if you don't mind listening again and again! Good to see you again Will, glad this puts you in that peaceful place!
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abfkingsport said 3000 days ago (February 4th, 2009)
ABFkingsport
What can I say that hasn't already been said. Another one going on my Fav. list. Very nicely done.
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drakonis said 3000 days ago (February 4th, 2009)
Brevity
Good for comments and kilts. Thank you for listening and favoritifying! Mark did the heavy lifting (pianos are big!)
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slumbering said 2894 days ago (May 21st, 2009)
Beautiful
I know my comments are so weak compared to what i want to express. It's just a beautiful piece.
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drakonis said 2894 days ago (May 21st, 2009)
you bring such presents
Just a visit and a few words, a wonderful gift to me. Thank you for listening and finding beauty in Mark's and my music.
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Narad said 2871 days ago (June 13th, 2009)
Thanks
Thanks for stopping by my music and for your gentle comment.
And for this absolutely beautiful tune ! :)
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drakonis said 2871 days ago (June 13th, 2009)
The pleasure is mine
I am glad you like this... it is a wonderful piece of piano music, and I can say that because it is not mine! Mark Holbrook wrote the piano music, and I simply added some orchestration behind it, and a little bit of extra stuff. :-) I shall be enjoying more of your music soon!
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awigze said 2797 days ago (August 26th, 2009)
dragons
Of course dragons once existed during the life of man. There is archeological evidence of such in areas of the world. There was much enmity between them and man,,, especially among the peasant class. Why do you think I always :throwpc at you :) Oh, by the way - this song is beautiful and wished I had heard this before I got to know the both of you... You guys are great and I will always be your friend! Andy
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drakonis said 2797 days ago (August 26th, 2009)
soothes the savage beast
Something about this piece that Mark wrote is just achingly sad and beautiful, and I am very touched that he offered it to me. I am peasantly surprised that you found this too! Please know Andy, that you too will always have me as your friend. Thank you for listening and commenting. I learned a LOT adding accompaniment to this, and hopefully will do a lot better on the next one!
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shavingronaldscar said 2746 days ago (October 16th, 2009)
word
This is some great composition, and some wicked arrangement
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shavingronaldscar said 2746 days ago (October 16th, 2009)
word
This is some great composition, and some wicked arrangement
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drakonis said 2746 days ago (October 16th, 2009)
Mark's fault...
He wrote and recorded a very great piece of music... I just glued some wings on it :-) Thank you for listening and enjoying it. I learned a LOT while trying to add to this and not mess it up!
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