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Rechercar Terzo


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VicDiesel

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Silvestro Ganassi is mostly known as a composer of recorder music, but he wrote some pieces for Viola Da Gamba too. Here is one that I have been studying.

A bit more about the music. This is solo music, so no harmonies. What's more, this is written without barlines, so the performer has to figure out which notes carry the emphasis, and where the phrases are.

All this makes it a challenge to do something with this track. (So why not just play it? Good question.) I decided to do nothing more than double the melody line with various software instruments, to add some colour. Let me know what you think of this idea.
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Uploaded: Jan 24, 2009 - 02:32:47 PM
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Cameron said 3191 days ago (January 24th, 2009)
old and new...
...don't always mix optimally.

I like the ancient, rather exotic sound of the viol da gamba. It has a wide range of tone colors in its sound, which is interesting in of itself.

These software synth instruments did not really add much to the mix, in my opinion. They certainly weren't bad, but they didn't enhance.

It seems that instruments of a similar period would blend better together. Your recordings with the synth harpischord fit your live recorder sound very successfully. (So does your use of synth percussion.) I would love to hear you do a track of viol da gamba, recorders with synth harpsichord added.

OR...multi-tracked viol da gamba! Either "au naturel" or perhaps you could employ various special effects on that sound, as you have done well with recorders in the past.

In any case, the viol da gamba sound is very interesting on its own.
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yrp said 3191 days ago (January 24th, 2009)
regardless
of the technical aspects (which I sadly (or happily) ignore) I liked the piece.The synth should sound alien and out of place with the viola but it works very well.it added much more colour to the somber and sort of monochrome viola sound.
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magnatone said 3191 days ago (January 24th, 2009)
Rechercar Terzo
as someone who's constantly mixing instruments and sounds that probably aren't supposed to go together (so consider the source of this comment), I really really like the interesting sounds this piece produces. I've gotta agree with yrp that the synth adds all kinds of cool coloring to this, and to my ears is very much a plus. Cameron actually knows what he's talking about, and I totally don't, so if I were you, I'd listen to HIM. However, I think this is VERY cool, and I'm glad you uploaded it just like this!
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Feter said 3191 days ago (January 24th, 2009)
Rechercar Terzo
WOW ...this is fabulous Sir ...the feel of of the Viola is killing ..and
the treatment you add to the piece just modern and so creative ... m totally
speechless ...I never heard of Ganassi but sure I ll search for more info ..
thank you SO very much for sharing such ART ~!~~
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kristyjo said 3191 days ago (January 24th, 2009)
Hm...
interesting idea, the mix of exotic new with exotic old. I like the idea, and you chose the spaces for doubling really well. As I listen, though, I'm trying to 'listen through' the other sounds. Synths, organ(?), piano seemed a bit harsh, while the recorder, other synths, and harpsicord sounds felt much better. I see lots of differing comments here already, so you HAVE provided us with very interesting musical ideas to discuss. I've already listened three times, just to get a feel for it.
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kristyjo said 3191 days ago (January 24th, 2009)
Oh-
and the phrasing and accents sound dead on to my ears.
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Rebsie said 3191 days ago (January 24th, 2009)
New colour on old canvas
I like the effect of the synth sweep with the ancient grating viola, that's something that works well to my ears. It adds a refreshing dimension to the renaissance style.

No barlines, eh? Hours of fun getting your head round that ...
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ktb said 3191 days ago (January 24th, 2009)
nice
lovely sound on the Viola. The synths were nicely placed and varied.
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DWL said 3191 days ago (January 25th, 2009)
Very interesting
I'm not convinced about the need for the synths and thought that a few harmonies from the viola might have worked. I like the interpretation and the playing.

You always manage to come up with something different.

Cheers

Dick
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egobandit said 3191 days ago (January 25th, 2009)
SOnic Viola
Well to me I love the experimentation of old and new, It really is a matter of opinion on wether it works or not. To me the Sonics add color and life to apiece that is already very dynamic and moving. I enjoyed it and I feel I could have enjoyed it with out the synth, That being said I must thanks you for the experience!
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LunaTrick said 3190 days ago (January 25th, 2009)
Vic - really enjoyed.
I've been wanting a Gamba for years - it's my dream instrument as a guitarist/cellist. I like the tone you get here - especially in the duet portions of the piece.
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VicDiesel said 3190 days ago (January 25th, 2009)
thanks
It's a sweet instrument, but tricky to play. 7 strings (I have a low A) and they're somewhat close together so it's hard to hit only the right one.

The duet part is all double stops, right?

I'm glad you like the tone. I find it hard to record it and have it come out as full and warm as it sounds in real life.


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drakonis said 3190 days ago (January 25th, 2009)
I'm of two minds
absolutely love the playing and sound and richness of the viola here, and your choices for notes and emphasis seem perfect. I generally like the Wendy Carlos-style synthy additions to things, but it feels like you only went half-way, were tentative in your approach. If it were me, I might have left the viola solo alone, then, because it is so short, repeated it, but the second time through, really wacked it out, extracting overdriven harmonics from the violo track, coupled with other alien instruments to create an immersive second half.
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davisamerica said 3190 days ago (January 25th, 2009)
vic
i love the instrument collection you have chosen
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rsorensen said 3189 days ago (January 26th, 2009)
beautiful
So cool. Really like what you've done here and the sound of that viola is breathtaking. Really well done, Vic.
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kingbee said 3189 days ago (January 27th, 2009)
clockwork orange 2
I could see this being in the soundtrack for a sequel of clockwork orange.
I don't know much about the notation and structure stuff but I feel this works for it's mix of ancient and modern.
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thetiler said 3186 days ago (January 29th, 2009)
Enjoy
how you go from a real rock feel other songs and you start here with a real classical feel. Enjoy the pop synth as well.

Nice change of pace from you!
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said 3186 days ago (January 30th, 2009)
sounds ok to me
you multi-talented guy...

For what it it, the synthy bits are not harsh to me, but unexpected. I think your emphasis worked ok. I'd prefer the piece with real instruments and ditch the synth

. - Harold
sonnyjim said 3181 days ago (February 3rd, 2009)
Good track
Lots of interesting work in here (not least the technical end of recording it). I am squarely, though, in the camp that would like to hear it pushed MUCH farther down Electro Road. I hear a lot of tension between wanting to present a well-played/well-recorded acoustic track, and not wanting it to be only that. It's a slightly uncomfortable balance that, in my opinion, satisfies neither desire.
It's very beautiful, but have at it!
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Elevator_Funk said 3179 days ago (February 6th, 2009)
this is cool...
I prefer the viola alone, but that's just me. The idea of not knowing where the accentsa are is kinda exciting. I think you and Luna Trick should do another version of this as a viola/cello collab
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mikkinylund said 3174 days ago (February 10th, 2009)
Vic
I don't know what to say, which is generally the case in regards to music without vocal for me. I can hear a story, I can see it, feel it, but its not possible for me to describe it. I can like or, or not, in this case I love the sound, the melody and arrangement, but I don't know exactly why. Cello is one of my absolute favorite instruments, so, I am easily sold whenever used. Anyway, I am in a period right now, when I am exploring this type of music, as well as other periods, and it's is truly wonderful to have that whole library to discover. Great job with this one, great use of synths (i.e not overused, just complementing).
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ic42 said 3165 days ago (February 19th, 2009)
interpret music
it is a fresh interpretation. viola da gamba is a rich sound, and it is skillfully played. renaissance is washed away in a tsunami of synthesizer. it is a marvel. perhaps much more can be done? it is a beginning of a new age. a rebirth of synthesis of style. this music can have more work? it is a sketch. it should be made into oil painting. 0x0
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AcetyleneJukebox said 3162 days ago (February 23rd, 2009)
Wow
Havent come across any viola da gamba players on this or any other site. Sounds good,nice intonation. To be honest I wasnt exactly crazy about the synth sounds you used but this is a cool experiment. Keep up the good work with the gamba.
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In past lives, VicDiesel was a country fiddler, a shawm player at the Burgundy court, bellows pumper for JS Bach, Geoff Emerick's factotum, and a beggar playing drums in the streets of Calcutta for alms. Unusually, the memories of all that co... [see more]

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