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Personal Space 09 w/ Daugrin


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This piece started as an instrumental Jazz piece by Daugrin. He sent it to me to "have my way with it" and this is what popped out of the collaborative oven.

Daugrin plays most of the keyboards and original bass and percussion.
I added 2 guitars, bass, drums, latin percussion and vocals.

The first thing I heard in my head after Daugrin sent me the original track was the first vocal verse. I sent it off
to Daug, he liked it and responded with the additional verses.

I love this tune, but the melodic complexities threw me for a loop. That plus I've been working quite a bit lately. It took me over a month to do this (closer to 2). Daugrin is an incredible talent and his compositional skills are amazing. I'm proud to have worked with him on this project.

Now, I'd like to add my 2 cents to a point raised by Daug on his home page: higher fidelity media files. I completely agree with him about the side effects of compression/decompression. I understand why MJ has the policies that it does, but maybe a compromise would be to allow users to submit a FLAC version of the song for download. Download traffic would be a small percentage of streaming traffic. FLAC is a lossless audio codec and doesn't have the side effects of mp3.
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Lyrics
Sleeping in the rain
 Waiting for my train
 To wisk me off to work again, here it comes "all aboard"

 Holding up the sky
 Atlas, you and I
 Carrots bouncing in our eyes, now we're rollin' "Yea she's hot!"

 Windows fogged and damp
 Got your ticket stamped?
 "Who'd you end up in this camp?" She's smilin, "Now ya feel cool"

 Slowing train cavitate
 Picka star navigate
 Stay on course don't be late, Strange days "Your personal space"

No hurry, we'll get where we are...
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Uploaded: Oct 18, 2009 - 12:29:29 AM
Last Updated: Oct 21, 2009 - 11:43:57 AM Last Played: Jan 29, 2017 - 07:18:00 AM
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magnatone said 2776 days ago (October 18th, 2009)
Personal Space
WHOA - this is an amazing, complex, robust and crazy ride! a couple of very awesome talents, playing music in a stratosphere i can barely comprehend, but certainly appreciate! lol - shouldn't have listened to this right before bed! great job - thanks!
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tonestones said 2775 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
Thanks, Karen
I hope it didn't keep you up too late. Next time you listen, think of the syncopated rhythm of the train rolling down the tracks. You are getting sleepy... sleepy I tells ya!
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crissew said 2776 days ago (October 18th, 2009)
Stratostrophic
Quite a big bite to chew on here. Lots going on. Got no idea what key this is or what the progression is but it is cool. A bit of Zappa influence I could guess but could be wrong about that. Enjoyed it.
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tonestones said 2775 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
Keys are unimportant with the right groove
The groove of the train hitting tracks is all that matters.

Seriously, that Daugrin gave me this tune as some kind of torture test. The melody is really intense, changing keys and progressions. It took me a while to immerse myself in this one. I started with the vocal tracks. They were pretty straight forward. The hardest part was improvising over the majestic melodic passages. The approach I took was to first do a second bass line and layer the duet guitar parts on top of it.

I think it turned out pretty cool. Now we're rolling... Now she's hot!
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Feter said 2776 days ago (October 18th, 2009)
Personal Space
This is crazy ...two one of the top people
around collab what I woudl expect ..man !!!
its a trip ...a total dream ..the piano here
just so mean with the guitar they are just
too conversational ...I m that small to
understood last paragraph on your describtion
so all I m gonna do is nod my head and enjoy
this cool trip music ...thnx alot for sharin
this .....MAN >...hats off to you !!!!
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tonestones said 2775 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
Thanks, Feter
As always, I love your comments. Daugrin did all of the heavy lifting on this one. He left me with the fun part. I love to sing and strum my guitar. He gave me the structure to strum it wildly in syncopation with some kind of cosmic train.

All aboard!
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awigze said 2776 days ago (October 18th, 2009)
Exactly
If someone had told me that you two were going to do a collab, this is exactly what I would imagine you two doing... incredible... One of the best tunes I have heard... anywhere. Love this!
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tonestones said 2775 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
Andy, could have used you on this too
Left to our own devices it turned out to have a pretty hard edge. Next time we'll have to add in some sax to break through some of the tension (or create some more... your choice).

Thanks for the kind words.
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Char said 2776 days ago (October 18th, 2009)
Ooh, nice!
Such a "happy go lucky" vibe; some kind of cross between smooth jazz and zydeco: jazzdeco or zydejazz! Nice vocals. Great collab. Enjoyed it very much. Thanks.
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tonestones said 2775 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
Happy go lucky.
Thanks, Char. Greatly appreciated as always. Funny, when Daugrin and I first started talking about this tune we never talked about any particular genres. It just kind of took on a life of its own. Now that I listen again I can hear a number of blended influences. I think that is the most interesting byproduct of these collaborations, I don't think Daugrin had considered vocals in his original concept, but after I floating the idea by him he got behind it and wrote most of the lyrics.

Great fun...
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Daugrin said 2775 days ago (October 18th, 2009)
Personal Space Lowdown
This began life as a Daug jazz tango with a fantasy and counter melody.
Steve has many gifts, one of them is a higher form of concentration than the rest of us. Additionally, he is a gifted musician. Having only heard his posts on MJ, I was confident we would get something unique on "Personal Space".
Cliche free guitar lines, inspired vocals and conceptual continuity throughout, he brought a lot of strengths to the party on PS.
Steve has mentioned the FLAC and compression issues in general. I hope we can solve the problems and you can hear how these pieces are written to sound. Compression is a real enemy to music.
Bravo Steve! A labor of love... Let's see what happens, new things have been done! I think this puts the ball in...in your court...

Daug
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tonestones said 2775 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
Thanks for this great tune, Daugrin
I had such a good time working on this with you. It was quite a challenge. I love the chord progressions and the sweeping melodies... Very majestic.

Please excuse the mutual admiration society stuff, but when I first heard Daugrin's material it really resonated with me. He has such an unusual style, technically fascinating, but presented in such a way that most anyone can identify with it without having to explore the technical side of it.

Anyway.... I thoroughly enjoyed this and hope to do more of these projects in the future..
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Outtaorbit said 2775 days ago (October 18th, 2009)
Excellent..
nicely done....Zappa was never understood either......nice stuff.. really...
downloaded
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tonestones said 2775 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
Zappa.. We miss you.
I've always been a huge Zappa fan. His influences are everywhere in modern classical, jazz, rock, prog, etc... I love what he did with the guitar.. Steve Vai (another one of my favorite guitarists) carries on a strong tradition.

Thanks for the comparison. I'm flattered.
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Reggie_Pole said 2775 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
Blown away
It's great to hear this kind of music at MJ. Original, always challenging. Excellent pairing, gents. More would be in order. I like the vocal track very much. I suppose that's the most accessible aspect. But what a composition. I can hear the Zappa-Vai-ness here and there, but it doesn't matter. It's music, wild and wonderful.
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tonestones said 2775 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
Thanks, Reggie
I love to do vocals. When I used to play music for a meager living (back in the 70s) I played bass and sang. I didn't get to sing much because my memory for lyrics died after one verse. There aren't too many one verse songs so my vocal career was limited. Unfortunately my rote memory hasn't improved much. Now I can sing to my hearts content in my studio with the lyrics close at hand.

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davisamerica said 2775 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
steve...
excellent
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MarkHolbrook said 2775 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
Tons
of sounds here to feast the ears on! This is really kewl... Not sure what is gonna happen at the next instant!
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tonestones said 2773 days ago (October 21st, 2009)
Thanks, Mark
Glad you liked it. I hope Daug and I get a chance to work together again soon.
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davisamerica said 2775 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
steve....
u so brought it all to the table.... kudos
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davisamerica said 2775 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
btw....
shades of a jazzed up spirit...topango windows...no kidding...excellent
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tonestones said 2775 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
Spirit.. Great band
I did a Spirit cover you might like: http://www.icompositions.com/music/song.php?sid=121841

It is a heavy metal version of Natures Way.

I decided to update the tune, modernize it. Nature is much more pissed off now than it was 40 years ago when Spirit wrote the original version.

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kassia said 2774 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
well then
wow. my jaw has dropped over and over. absolutely love the latin-rock-funk vibe. steve's vocals are smooth and satiny slippery - GORGEOUS harmonies. marimba parts are sweet sweet and everything else just ROCKS. this is a mover and a shaker tune. WOW.
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tonestones said 2774 days ago (October 19th, 2009)
Thanks.
I really appreciate your comments.
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ste said 2774 days ago (October 20th, 2009)
great
guitar work. good style. fun.
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tonestones said 2773 days ago (October 20th, 2009)
Thanks, Ste
This was a really fun project for me. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

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tokai said 2773 days ago (October 21st, 2009)
This is mad
love the arrangement, it has that Zappa groove to it. Upbeat too. Voice is very suited to this vibe would like to have seen the lyrics. Two musicians of a high caliber, this could be the start of a happy marriage. Enjoyed the ride on board your train.
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tonestones said 2773 days ago (October 21st, 2009)
Thanks, Steve
I meant to post the lyrics, but forgot.. I'll put them up now.
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tonestones said 2773 days ago (October 21st, 2009)
Lyrics
The lyrics are there now.
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drakonis said 2773 days ago (October 21st, 2009)
Train all over the track...
But in other ways, it really hums along. So, is this bordering on 12-tone music? One of the things I love about Macjams and its diverse and extraordinarily talented musicians, is this kind of music shows up and like a steam-engine, just muscles out of any preconceived boxes I live in. Just enough rhythmic and melodic foothold for me to keep up, and really enjoy, in a quirky way. Very impressive, you two!
ttfn,
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tonestones said 2773 days ago (October 21st, 2009)
Train tracking.
Funny, I heard train sounds when I first heard Daugrin's piece so I wrote the first verse of the lyrics to try to capture it. Daug responded with the rest of the verses and a theme was born.

No. Not 12 tone. Daug has an unusual writing style that he is uniquely qualified to explain. I just went along for the ride and tried to follow us best I could.
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Daugrin said 2772 days ago (October 21st, 2009)
Train needs no tracks!
Hello Dragon, I am pleased you were able to enjoy this tune. "Personal Space" is really too strong for tenderfeet. Steve and I maybe working on the frontier, but we have always been on the frontier-we live there , you hang on to the hand rails, I have a feeling there will be rides that we think are wild coming... especially if we can solve the compression issues!

Daug
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ShadowofNine said 2773 days ago (October 21st, 2009)
Yowzer
very cool...
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tonestones said 2772 days ago (October 21st, 2009)
Thanks
Cool is in the ears of the listener. Glad you liked it.
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dave_b said 2772 days ago (October 21st, 2009)
Personal Space 09 w/ Daugrin
Challenges the listener to throw off expectations and just hold on. You're not going to predict what's going to happen next! I appreciate a piece like this for expanding my sense of what is possible.
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tonestones said 2772 days ago (October 21st, 2009)
Thanks, Dave
Daugrin did an amazing job with the structure of this piece. Every time I listen to it I hear it in a slightly different way. I'm really glad you like it.
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Daugrin said 2772 days ago (October 21st, 2009)
Well Said Dave
Steve did a great job on PS, he deftly added his own musical vision onto the original structure.
Steve's delivery of the vocal tells the story that goes with your comment Dave. Personal Space was meant to be a strong musical statement, Steve really helped me make the point, no cliches, or distractions, just focus!

Daug

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Bob6stringer said 2772 days ago (October 22nd, 2009)
Super PostPsychProgTastic & JazziLiciious
Very inspirational AND aspirational in that it prods the listener (okay, me!) to reach beyond the normal listening passivity and take the ride with you, not just be "performed to." FZ's been mentioned as one of the people waiting at the platform for your train, but I'll add Chick Corea and Weather Report to the heap for the addition of early fusion (when it was still great) to the rock and pro elements here. Strong melodies and dynamics pervade the piece, from vocals and instrumental to the fine rhythm section. Felt like a touch of unintended sync or dissonance issue in a few notes at 2:13 - 2:14 and somewhere else that the same transition is used.
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tonestones said 2771 days ago (October 22nd, 2009)
Great comments, Bob
Deeply appreciated. The bars around 2:13 and 2:14 were intentional on my part. I was trying to be polyrhythmic, playing against Daug's keyboard part and the bass/drums. It worked better with one guitar. When I added the second they weren't quite tight enough and it just sounds close, but a little messy. After you listen to it a few times you'll begin to see the brilliance of it all. As we engineers say, "It's a feature, not a bug"... (post-psych-prog hypnotic suggestion... ah.. a feature.. now I hear it ;)

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Daugrin said 2771 days ago (October 23rd, 2009)
Composition Notes
A Zappafile has a straight in on Personal Space, I would suggest knowledge of whole tone dissonance as the key to this composition. Wx Report is an equally sufficient point of reference. The harmony is focused and even Steve's figures conform to the arch of the composition.
My designs feature this technique. This gives an oriental flavor or "excessiveness" to the proceedings. My ears prefer this harmony and voice leading and modulation become very efficient. The "close" chords really work hard for ya people give them a try...

Daug
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shavingronaldscar said 2768 days ago (October 26th, 2009)
BLARRRRRRR!
bloody awesome. Love the double-kick feel, how it shuffles without shuffling. Nice use of dynamics. Crazy key mods happening, sweet stuff!
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Daugrin said 2767 days ago (October 27th, 2009)
Hello Joachim
Nice to have you on the train with us. You got the ears to be here!

Daug
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springclock said 2768 days ago (October 26th, 2009)
zappa
something about the structure reminds me of Zappa.... which is a very good thing.... love the bubbliness to the mix.... and that scattered groove is a nice touch.... coolness
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Daugrin said 2767 days ago (October 27th, 2009)
Zappa Crappa
If Frank was still alive I would email him and ask him if he thinks PS sounds like one of his pieces. I'd email his wife, but she just ignores me already... The trust managing Frank's work is the most aggressive around. Hats off to Mrs. Zappa... "Eat that Question"...

Daug
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Gaylen75 said 2765 days ago (October 29th, 2009)
Sweet
I was a huge Bungle fan. Saw them in Sf a bunch. This is right up my ally. Love the mix too.
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Boats said 2764 days ago (October 29th, 2009)
Welcome Aboard G
Welcome home...

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carlajpatterson said 2762 days ago (November 1st, 2009)
radical tune!
Love the wildness and the control together - nice collab! Thanks for pointing me to it, Steve! :)
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tonestones said 2761 days ago (November 2nd, 2009)
Carla,
Thanks for dropping by. I'm glad you like it.
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Dadai.2 said 2701 days ago (December 31st, 2009)
what a sound...
this is so different and cool.. I'm digging it a lot. Great guitar work with the subtle vocals counterpointed in. so cool. Nice intro to your music Steve. Definitely the progressive road...

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TobinMueller said 2688 days ago (January 14th, 2010)
Donovan additions
For some reason, this had a Donovan feel to me, kind of like Hurdy Gurdy Man meets 3rd Wave progressive jazz outside a diner. Really interesting vocal additions. There is something herky jerky about this, like the flow is constantly sticking, catching on a bumpy surface, and your vocals smooth it out.
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tonestones said 2665 days ago (February 6th, 2010)
Donovan
Now that you mention it I can hear a little Donovan in the vocals. Funny how those influences manifest themselves. I always liked Donovan.
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awigze said 2381 days ago (November 17th, 2010)
back
for more !
love it even better.
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hackneybloke said 2319 days ago (January 18th, 2011)
personal
we chatted through this on skype....i asked you who was singing ...remember. am listening again...without the distraction of typing. amazing track, groovy, trippy, innovative. superlatives escape me.
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