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Please note the most recent remixed/remastered version of this tune:

Seafood Gumbo Bop (final mix)

This is second in my series of 2010 jazz quintet instrumentals. This is also a new take on the jazz vocal collaboration I did with Angela Hope, Seafood Gumbo. While arranging the sax part, we did not reference the vocal version at all, so it's fun to compare the differences, how much the feel of a song can change when it becomes a pure instrumental piece. Sort of Lester Young meets Count Basie.

Please let me know if you think the balance and mix is good (and whether you're listening thru laptop speakers, real speakers, or headphones). Thanks, and enjoy.

Drums: Dane Richeson
Bass: Arthur Kell

Project 2010 with Woody Mankowski (so far):
Seafood Gumbo Bop
Oasis On The Rocks
Saddle Shoe Sally

Vocal variations of this series:
Seafood Gumbo w/ AngelaHope

Older collab with Woody:
River Runs Through Me

If you haven't heard much of my jazz stuff, please check out all the draft mixes that ended up on the album RAIN BATHER. Maybe start with I Wanna Fly. Woody also plays on most of those songs.
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Scott Carmichael said 2560 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
first
I call first
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Scott Carmichael said 2560 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
OK
I can't even guess why... but this shot me right back to my childhood... Saturday morning watching old cartoons... no clue why... this is stellar work... really I don't see how you can go wrong with this line up... even if your approach was lo-fi... the moments captured are the stuff of REAL recordings.... I love the piano stuff you sneak in around 2:00...

sincerely...
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TobinMueller said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Saturday morning childhood memories
Cartoons? That made me smile. I love those soundtracks, especially the use of xylophones and great old classical tracks. Thanks for noticing that little half solo toward the end. Also, my hands and arms have no stamina anymore, so less if more is a necessity. Really glad you were first to check in!
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RochaMalhada said 2560 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
SWEET!
What fantastic distribution, wooo! Crisp, lots of space, bass is kickin' - well everything is spot on. Excellent mix

. - Harold
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RochaMalhada said 2560 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
oh, and
I'm taking a copy too, THANKS!
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TobinMueller said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Downloads
I appreciate you downloading the track. I love the idea of people listening again, randomly, in the future.
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sloparts said 2560 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Very nice, Tobin
One comment came to mind immediately about the mix. The Sax is to far out in front of the rest of the band. It's almost like the Sax player is playing right at your table in a little Jazz club, while the rest of the band is up on stage 20 feet away. The music is great, but the loud Sax is a definite distraction.
Another thing I noticed on the second listen, is the reverb on the Drums and Piano. I'm not sure but it seems there's something about the different Reverb levels that is slightly distracting to me.

I'm listening on my studio speakers which are a set of JBL 4206 for the mains, supplemented by a set of Radio Shack Realistic Minimus 7's up on the desktop, all powered by an Onkyo TX-822 Stereo amp.

As far as composition and what everyone is playing, like I said the music is great. Other than the Sax level, and the inconsistency in the reverb this is a really excellent piece.

Always remember, it's the deaf guy speaking here, when ever your tempted to take my critique seriously. ;-)

Love the music my friend, I really do. I'm gonna take a copy for posterity and to listen to on the iPod.

Be well and be cool.

Ed
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TobinMueller said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
At the table
Well, at least the sax player isn't behind the potted plants and the bass player isn't chasing the waitress into the kitchen.

I put on headphones and the bass fills up my head and the piano becomes very present due to how it was recorded (stereo, two mics in the piano). The whole EQ things is so hard cuz it's very affected by volume (how loud you are playing the track back). Plus, that ride cymbal was put on tape too hot and distorts what I can do to it in remixing.

When I mastered in PEAK, I boosted certain EQs in ways to give the entire track immediacy, perhaps popping midi EQs too much, making the sax sound "squawky" to drakonis (see below). But I kind of liked that sound. I may reconsider tomorrow when my sinuses clear and I can hear better...

Everyone has mics right on their instrument except the drums. So hard to reflect roominess equally across the spectrum. Thanks for the detailed reaction. I may need a tighter band EQ to make this all sound right across differing equipment.
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Calchas said 2560 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
I'm allergic to shellfish...
but not to this fine piece of jazz Tobin. Cool piano. Smokin sax work. Incredibly clean and spacious mix. Very nice!

Are the drums loops? Is that a live bass? How's about sharing how you did this one?

Be well friend!
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Calchas said 2560 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
PS:
I listened on headphones. I did not think the sax was too far to the front as per Ed's comment above. But Ed's system is a good one and is probably a better indicator.
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TobinMueller said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Recording
The trio was recorded all at once, mic'd separately. There is some bleeding and therefore problems on one track have only marginal leeway changeabilities. The sax was recorded afterward, in a home studio, and integrated in by me. Also, after laying in the sax and relistening, I have cut and pasted a few drum sections to better match and added a few kicks and cymbals to make the lines work better, using 10 year old samples I used to use for such things. I think you can't really hear where its real and where its pasted, or at least I hope you can't.
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drakonis said 2560 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Hmm...
Listening on cheap headphones and decent ears at work this morning. :-) The initial drum hits really got my attention, and the overall mix is very clean. The sax EQ may be slightly heavy in the higher midrange, it has almost a piercing squawk, which I think is partly why Ed (and I) feel the sax is sounding a little too "up-front." I think it could be melted in just a bit with the other instruments and feel more natural (perhaps a little more room reverb too.) But as far as music composition and the playing, this is just timelessly wonderful.
ttfn,
Drakonis
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TobinMueller said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Reverb & EQ
On "tape", every instrument has a different room feel, even tho its the same room (except for sax). How frustrating is that? Mic'ing a drum is an art that is beyond me, and something that shifts from song to song. I merely added the same room reverb to the master track, to keep it consistent across the mix. Maybe I shd put a tad extra on the sax? Thanks for your critical ears, and you enjoyment.
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sschedra said 2560 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Tobin
Just great classical jazz, straight up. As to the comments about the sound stage, to me I am seated near the sax player, then the piano, then the drums, the bass player is on the other side of the drums. I am curious how you do the drums on these pieces? Everything does have a very live feel to it, as though it was recorded right in the club. I have to hear Angela on the vocal version now. I must have missed that. The musicianship on all your music is absolutely top notch and delightful.
Stephen
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sschedra said 2560 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Just to add
I was listening to the amplified outboard speakers on my laptop. Not the greatest, so I will listen later on the studio monitors. they will give me a mire accurate picture of the stereo image. However the vintage-ness still came through, from the first note.
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TobinMueller said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Vintageness
Thanks. "Vintage" is definitely the desired vibe. Glad you dug it. Woody's sax really makes this come alive. Kudos go to him for bring the bop to the vintage Basie groove.
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sonnyjim said 2560 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
I agree
that something (not very much, though) should be done to nudge that sax back just a bit....... In my headphones (Sony MDR-7506), it sounds fine; when I listen to it through my laptop speakers, I hear what Ed and Drak are talking about. I don't hear the 'reverb conflict' but that's not to say it isn't there. I did latch right onto the air and the space in this, though, and I think that the clean atmosphere it creates is just right.

This is a beautifully played, tight and concise little track, with a gentle and very positive world view. We could all definitely use more art with this kind of vibe.

SJ
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TobinMueller said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Headphones vs laptop
I don't want to use laptop speakers as my baseline sound, for sure. I'd rather use your headphones. I wonder how most people listen to music these days? More headphones than in the past? You have nicer headphones (similar to the ones I use) and they boost base and make all stereo sounds seem closer to the ear. Also, many people have their systems set for rock music, which often boosts bass, so I am trying not to push the bass too much in anticipation.

I know my AIFFs are mellower than the MP3s shared here. But people listen to MP3s over high quality AIFFs or CDs more often, so how it sounds as an MP3 is perhaps most important, nowadays.

Thanks for listening with such care, everybody. I still don't know how to shade this whole project, since I want to keep it all immediate and intimate and don't want to push everything back with too much room reverb (which would make mixing easier). Very little room for error. I will use all this feedback to continue tweaking.
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tf10music said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
again
again, the sax destroyed me, I love it. For some reason, I got a bit leery of the cicada-like sound of the rhythm section by the time I hit the last minute (this was somewhat salvaged by the fact that, when mixed with the piano, it reminded me of running water. For some reason, I wanted to be hearing some sort of bongo drum at times, instead of the cymbals. However, I still think this is top notch jazz, and I would pay to see it. Great stuff.
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alackbass said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Great Stuff!
Reminded me of those classic Dexter Gordon records.
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perceptualvortex said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Jazz
I will give this a proper listen when I'm not working, but even through my laptop speakers it sounds very good. The sax and piano are really excellent!
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billyfromphilly said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Gumbo...
I'm hungry after this!
I'm no pro but, it sounds great to me...
I have a Sony stereo system (nothing serious) but it sounded like the Sax was the featured instrument. I liked the sax and piano duet...
sounds like the drummer did something interesting around 1:33 but, I'm no pro... Great piece...
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Floridaplayer said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
I can dig it man.
Smokin! Love it all. Beginning, middle and end. On a set of Sony Walkman headphones the sax is in front to me. Possibly followed by the piano. I tend to like a lot of treble and though the drums might could be slightly crisper. If cranked through a better system all might be perfect. All in all there is nothing but a splendid cut here. Enjoyed.
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RAVENS said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Gumbolicious
I only listen through headphones. I can never get the full feel of a song via speakers. This sounds wonderful, the sax is a tad high to my ears. Other than that, this is groovy!

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Angela_Hope said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
this reminds me of writing the song
i like this tobin. i remember when you first gave me the song to write and i did it in one night because i loved the music. great sax!
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crissew said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
another very well done piece
Excellent sound quality top to bottom on this. Great groove. Some trumpets blaring in here would sound awful sweet. That is the one area I think this song could improve on, having a little more oomph at the end of the song. All depends on what you are trying to achieve. I could hear some horns in there and that sax letting loose some of that control toward the end. First rate song and production either way though, top notch. Great stuff.
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crissew said 2559 days ago (August 16th, 2010)
Oh yeah
I have my computer hooked optically to a denon 4800 reciever and infinity prelude speakers in a 5.1 configuration. Went back and reslistened to the song after reading about the sax. Sounds perfect to my ear on my setup. The sax is the featured instrument so it should be out in front IMO.
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davajonah said 2559 days ago (August 17th, 2010)
Yes!
This sounds good, even through Macbook speakers. Good tune, good mix.
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TERRAPLANE said 2559 days ago (August 17th, 2010)
The mix
Sounds good to me through headsets ,, the rhythm section midship with leads right & left is a good choice.. The sax is a bit dominant on the right so I switched the headset to put it on My old weak left ear .. much better devision of sound for me. BTW wonderful tune played to perfection..
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damiengh said 2557 days ago (August 18th, 2010)
gumbo with cold(clean)cuts
One thing I noticed immediately was how nice and clean this recording was. Seems like a good deal of attention was spent on it. Crisp symbols, woody reed and pleasantly percussive piano strikes with strident bass.

Would have been nice to have given you a longer solo, as it is, it's a tease. But all your players sound on top of their game.





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blindsidedpoets said 2556 days ago (August 20th, 2010)
Seafood Gumbo Bop
I'm allergic to this song. But the swelling is totally worth it. WHERE'S THE BENADRYL?!
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woofer3 said 2550 days ago (August 26th, 2010)
Love the jazzy sound
very precise and controlled with wonderful playing.
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SpaceAlien said 2520 days ago (September 25th, 2010)
Brilliant performance
Swings!!

Wonderful performance.
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eleveneyes said 2497 days ago (October 17th, 2010)
yummy!
listening through headphones, some cheap sony cans and it sounds fantastic. Has a very live vibe in the performance as well as in the mix. The stereo placement and the "size" of each instrument in relation to each other really makes you feel like you're there. Sounds like I'm 7 feet away from the stage in a small club/bar. great stuff here!
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