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Bonfire of thoughts


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Psychikosa

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This song started with a state of mind and a metaphor. The state of mind refers to those moments when your head is full of short lived, flickering and contradictory thoughts, the metaphor was, well, bonfire of thoughts. I wish I had the skill to capture such concepts accurately in music, but unfortunately when I start putting a song togetehr it takes on a life of its own, the final product not always closely resembling the initial idea. Tell me what you think. If this was your song, what would you have done differently, and how would you have got there? Although I've played the flute for years, I have only been songwriting for six months, and I know I have loads to learn.
Sounds on this track from dobroide and dynamicell of www.freesound.org
P.S. Just to display my ignorance, what genre would you label this track?
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Uploaded: Sep 08, 2010 - 07:05:29 PM
Last Updated: Sep 01, 2010 - 02:37:01 AM Last Played: Jan 29, 2017 - 11:32:41 AM
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drakonis said 2628 days ago (September 8th, 2010)
go forth and experiment...
Intriguing song and progression. Perhaps a bit meandering, but the repeats of the main theme allow me to remember where you parked :-) Overall, I found this a gentle listen, in a slightly-off-kilter way, but it did make me smirk, always a good thing.

You ask if it were my song what I'd do differently? Perhaps I would have used different (or less) percussion/drums, but then, I am no good at them, that's why I usually leave them out. The drums seemed a little distracting here. I liked the tone of the synth. And I really liked your flute playing. Maybe a little more dynamics, it seemed to be in stasis, and needs a little sparkle or swell here and there, perhaps?

Those are my observations, and I hope they are useful to you. Welcome to Macjams, it's a pretty amazing place here.

Genre, you're making it up... maybe experimental jazz?

ttfn,
Drakonis
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Psychikosa said 2628 days ago (September 9th, 2010)
go forth and experiment
Aargh, I wrote a long reply, posted it, and it seems to have disappeared.
The meandering derives, I think, from the low level of short term repetion, which itself comes from the way I compose the melody via multiple improvisations, selection, cutting, pasting etc.
I have the main flute on a compressor, so maybe I need to loosen that up a bit and manage the arrangement so that lower volumes would not be swamped. How do those people sho sing manage this?
That synth line in another flute with some effects. I can do quite a bit with a flute, even to the point of making it sound guitar-like. Maybe I'll post an example soon.

Thanks for the welcome and the feedback!

Psychikosa
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edpdx said 2628 days ago (September 8th, 2010)
Bonfire!
I am on the same boat as you are! I find struggling to play what I hear in my head. I like your concept and think that you can pull off the musical idea, that you are trying to portray. I think that you need to play with different tempo's on the beat, also try playing the song on high volume to expose it's strength and weaknesses.

edpdx

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Psychikosa said 2628 days ago (September 9th, 2010)
Bonfre!
Thanks for stopping by and giving my song a listen. When you say play with different tempos, do you mean introducing some flexibility into the song itself, or trying the whole thing at different tempos? I'll definitely try the high volume test. But I might wait for the family to be out!

Psychikosa
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edpdx said 2627 days ago (September 9th, 2010)
Tempo!
Yeah! Just try different things with the tempo and beats. First I would create a loop based on your beat and set the tempo at different times, and play along with the flute, see if that works. Also listen to Jane's addiction song called Jane says, and check out the beat and rhythm, try mimicking that beat.

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DWL said 2628 days ago (September 9th, 2010)
Interesting first post
As you asked for specific criticism...

I think the flutes lose tempo now and again so I'd try to get those a little tighter.

The flutes have a good sound but I'm not sure about the discordant notes but then again that unsettling effect is probably what you're after.

Sometimes the backing and the melodies seem to part company completely which doesn't work for me but I'm fairly conventional when it comes harmony.

All in all not too bad for an experiment and a first post :-)

I look forward to see what you do next!

Cheers

Dick

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Psychikosa said 2627 days ago (September 9th, 2010)
Feedback is good
You are, of course, right about the timing (and the feel) at certain points. My lack of skill, I'm afraid. I tried many times to rerecord these parts by punching in and punching, but I didn't manage to get it quite right. Most of my tries were too delayed, so, of course, I over corrected and they now start too early :) I should have persevered more, but soemtimes the longer you try the harder it gets, until you give up and say that will have to be good enough.

Your feedback about the harmony is also spot on. Funny how I subliminally knew that was a lurking problem, but didn't want to admit it to myself.

Thanks again, Dick.
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egobandit said 2628 days ago (September 9th, 2010)
flute
I enjoyed this little piece, I like the experimentation in the placement of sounds I agree with Drak on the dynamics even though there are parts that do swell and break like just before the end. Good song thanks for sharing!
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Psychikosa said 2627 days ago (September 9th, 2010)
flute
Thanks for listening. I think what you hear in the last part is more intense drumming, rather than any change in the flute parts. I'll work on the dynamics of my next piece.

Psy
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Outtaorbit said 2627 days ago (September 9th, 2010)
So I've been waiting for this....
nice first post... I like the way it wanders off... some won't but all and all nicely done.....
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Psychikosa said 2627 days ago (September 10th, 2010)
Thanks for waiting
And thanks for wandering in, listening, commenting and wandering off :)

Psy
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awigze said 2627 days ago (September 9th, 2010)
experimental
as far as an experimental nature, it excels - If this was my song I would have let this rest a bit, by abandoning the flute for a while and re-examine its function. The backing tracks are a solid place. The flutes nearly come together with strength around 2:20, then wander off again.until 3:40 or so. I like the dual use of the flutes and the harmonies... although I think you were in a different key for the most part. It is evident that you have played the flute with skill and well seasoned. Now that you have your first post, they will be posted in minutes... which means I am looking forward to more from you. Welcome. liked the crackly fire sound.... did you record that or is it a borrowed sound?

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Psychikosa said 2627 days ago (September 10th, 2010)
very experimental
Yes, the key kind of got out of control. I started in C major, and added some bIII and bVII chords, but they took over a bot too much and the key hovers between C and Eb now - I think.
The burning sounds come from freesound.org - that's how I found out about macjams. I went there for the sound, but SomkeyVW was there before me and had left a comment leading me here.
Thanks for the feedback,

Psy
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awigze said 2626 days ago (September 10th, 2010)
That Smokey
Ya- I met him at Macjams and he told me about FreeSounds... There is a profile here on MJ called Found_Sounds, a library where we share. It's not that comprehensive yet, but we are hoping for a broader collection smoeday.
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ted23 said 2626 days ago (September 10th, 2010)
Intetesting
Mix of flute, drums and droning bass. A combo I've not heard before. Works really well in places and the overall effect is new on me and makes for a good experience.... Even though I'm not sure what that is :)
Cool for sure
Psychikosa said 2626 days ago (September 10th, 2010)
Thanks for sure
I don't know what that experience is either :)
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falcef said 2626 days ago (September 10th, 2010)
Bonfire of thoughts
Hello good musician the song is beautiful and interesting sounds are good choice and rhythm. Congratulations and best wishes from falcef hello in Italy.
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Psychikosa said 2626 days ago (September 10th, 2010)
Italy the land of song
What better musical compliment than from someone in Italy, where the children sing always and everywhere.

Psy
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VicDiesel said 2625 days ago (September 11th, 2010)
Nice to hear a real flute
1. you do hear that you're sharp? Unusual: most flute players turn the instrument in too far which flattens it. 2. watch that vibrato. After getting an automatic vibrato it took me ages to actually get it under control so that I could play with, without, speed it up, slow it down.

Nice piece. Not really folk rock. Folktronica?

Do different: drums a bit less obnoxious. Not a repeating break, but just a repeating solid rhythm.
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Psychikosa said 2625 days ago (September 12th, 2010)
Real flute
The upper register easily goes sharp, at least for me. I didn't take a great deal of care with it here, so another of the same lessons for me as implied by previous posts: take more care, pay more attention to detail, correct the things you know or feel are not quite right. This songmaking stuff is turning out to be harder work than I anticipated!

Folktronica? Great word!

I don't know what to do about those drums. I'm inclined to make and use more variations on a basic pattern, but you are suggesting a more minimalist approach I hadn't thought of.

So much to learn, so much to learn.

Thanks for the feedback.

Psy


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hackneybloke said 2624 days ago (September 13th, 2010)
bonfire
welcome to macjams. i would do nothing differently; it's all about self-expression....you'll find your voice and also how to get around the recording software. i liked the percussion, the soundbed and the melody you return to often. often a good idea to save your comments before posting...just in case this site loses them (it happens frequently....and isn't it annoying!).
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Psychikosa said 2623 days ago (September 13th, 2010)
expression
Thanks for the reminder not to loose the inspiration in the search for perfection.
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CIASM_ZENABI_ said 2624 days ago (September 13th, 2010)
bonfire
kinda odd but a way that pulls together for the most part. highly experimental of course but still musical. bit disjointed in places. playing is very good. cheers
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Psychikosa said 2623 days ago (September 13th, 2010)
bonfire
Thanks for giving it a listen and leaving a comment. These are all proving very helpful in giving me a more objective view of my music.
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Einarus said 2623 days ago (September 13th, 2010)
Interesting
This has some potential - no doubt about it - but there were a few things in here that could've been better.

1) I agree with drakonis about more dynamics in the flute. It sounded kinda monotonous in places. Maybe widening the register of the melody. The flute sounds so good in such a wide register, and I don't think you're fully taking advantage of it.
2) The counter-flute-melody didn't really work for me. Again, it might have something to do with that it was too close in register to the main melody. Plus, I think there was just too much going on it at the same time - making it a tad confusing in places.
3) I think you could bring the accompiment higher up in the mix. It sometimes sounds like two different songs, played at the same time, rather than one lush whole - if you know what I mean.

But the overall feel of this, I liked.

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-Einar S.
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Psychikosa said 2623 days ago (September 13th, 2010)
Thanks for the welcome
All these comments have helped me to see how undiscriminating and overly positive I had been about the music I was producing. In the enthusiastic glow of actually creating new music (wow, I actually did that) I listened to my pieces with too favourable and ear.
The feedback is really good, thanks for taking the time to listen and comment.

Psy
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Hickling_Stan said 2621 days ago (September 16th, 2010)
Interesting
Firstly welcome to MJ. Some lovely flute playing and nice to hear a real flute. As for feedback well its your piece and your statemnet but personaly I did find the drums a bit intrusive, perhaps only use them to emphasise key passages rather than all the way through, in fact around 2.40 is good. You have a good clear production and I use freesound on occassions for samples. Perhaps this could be "Ethnic International". I look forward to more stuff from you. Cheers Mark
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Psychikosa said 2620 days ago (September 16th, 2010)
Interesting
Thank you Mark, both for the welcome and for the feedback. You're the second person to mention those drums...

Psy
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georgeptingley said 2619 days ago (September 17th, 2010)
Much enjoyed but...
Like it but the whole track seems to be bathed in reverb. I would try bussing different degrees of reverb to the various instruments so as to enhance front to back perspective. The solo flute seems to dominate a bit; perhaps you could put it in dialogue with some other instrument (another woodwinds or possibly a guitar).
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Psychikosa said 2619 days ago (September 18th, 2010)
Enjoyed
Thanks George. You macjammers have very sensitive ears. It is indeed true that for this song I routed everything through the same reverb with the idea that it would lend some unity to the product. The fact that you can use different reverb settings to separate instruments from one another had not occurred to me, so that is an invaluable comment for me.
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fambroski said 2613 days ago (September 23rd, 2010)
Fresh
This is great music. It may be that your "Lack of skill" is opening you up to less restraints. Thus the height of creativity.
Really, I'm knocked out with what you do. Out of curiosity, is this recorded in stereo or surround sound? Even though I only have stereo speakers, I found myself on a few occasions wondering where a sound was coming from. It didn't sound like it left or right. Very very impressive.
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