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A labor of love for my band, Crush the Rose, this song was recorded at the studio at my school and then overdubbed (at least half of it) by me. Guitars and vocals were replaced and midi was added using Logic (yay!). Since this was recorded by a class not far ahead of mine in less-than-preferable circumstances (bad room, only four drum mics used, lots of bleed, etc)it took me a good 11 days of misery to bring it to this level. I'm posting it because I trust and respect the opinions of the musicians on this website, and I'd be extremely grateful for any feedback regarding this piece as I'd like it to turn out as professional sounding as possible. Thanks.
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Lyrics
It's not that I believed you
It't that I wanted to
and everything you've said since then
is like a piece of glass in my shoe
and I'm bleeding, bleeding through

And everything seems to end this way
why does everything seem to end this way
everything seems to end this way, hey

You say you love me but you don't want to
and if you're satisfied, then why are you singing the blues?
Just 'cause you say it doesn't make it true,
I'm bleeding through, oh

It's not that I was hungry
It's that you offered food
and out of everything you said since then
not a damn thing was true
and I'm bleeding, bleeding through

And everything seems to end this way
why does everything seem to end this way
everything seems to end this way, hey

You say you love me but you don't want to
and if you're satisfied, then why are you singing the blues?
Just 'cause you say it doesn't make it true,
I'm bleeding through, oh

If you don't want it, then why do you?
If you don't want it, then why do you?
If you don't want it, then why do you?
If you don't want it, hey....

You say you love me but you don't want to
and if you're satisfied, then why are you singing the blues?
Just 'cause you say it doesn't make it true,
I'm bleeding through, oh

I'm bleeding through
It's not that I believed you, it's that I wanted to

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Uploaded: Apr 18, 2011 - 10:17:10 AM
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Saltaireguru77 said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Awesome!
Great stuff Natalie! That rolling intro is excellent and then the guitars crash in! I'm struggling to figure out logic too at the moment from GB so I feel your pain on that one. This is a great song and an instant download. A lot heavier than some of your other stuff and a fab change of pace. Loved it. Sounds kinda new Madonna in places to me. Any chance of turning on the download option?
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magnatone said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Bleeding Through
good grief, this is excellent nat! i'm sure you'll get helpful hints from the people here who record real instruments - but to my ears this just sounds terrific right now! congrats on logic - i made the switch about a year ago, but i'm still learning - there are many people here who can talk you through places where you get stuck with it (if you do!) great post!
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strangedream said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Thanks guys...
I was just reading my description and I wanted to make it clear that when I said that the guitar and vocals were overdubbed by me, I didn't mean that I played the guitar. I just assisted in recording it. I could NOT play that awesome solo! That was all Rob.
dave_b said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Bleeding Through
I like the hook, and the way you push the melody over it emphasizes it. The guitar in the right channel might be a little hot, it overshadows your vocals at certain points. Strong vocals.
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Feter said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Bleeding Through
I like the sound of the band ...good recordings ..nothing to say here more than well done !!!
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RochaMalhada said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
first off...
this is a kick-ass song!

Love the presence of the bass.

nits: Your spectacular vocals are just a snidge too low in the mix. Vocals, drums and guitar are too close together in the EQ - the drums sound a bit tinny. The whole mix, other than the bass, sounds in the higher frequency to me, so the song lacks the "body" of the mid and lower range it can have.

Again, this is a fantastic rockin tune.

. - Harold

PS: I'm no expert, for sure.
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ShadowofNine said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Awesome
An awesome song and performance, Rockin lyrics, I do not record off the floor so cannot offer advise for that, but I think this is credible work, not radio ready of course but could be if done in a proper studio...anyway really enjoyed the song...
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awigze said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
cool tune
All the parts are there. I cant put my finger on it,,, as I am not anything close to an engineer. my impression is that there is something going on in the frequencies between the vocals / guitar / cymbal that is keeping the vocals down. Nice work by everyone involved - then I read what Harold said,,, so somewhere in the middle of that. Nice to hear from you!
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strangedream said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Great feedback
I noticed the same thing. I used a mastering preset in Izotope 4 under the rock genre and that is what brought out that "tinny sound." I'd have continued to scroll through the settings if my guitarist hadn't yelled "stop!" "print it!" with such conviction. Perhaps I will try a different preset or setting in Izotope. In my opinion, the unmastered track was far more in balance than the mastered one. Hmmm.
chinaman2 said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
hey
this mix sounds much better than the one you submitted in indaba? or is it because macjam's player sounds better? in any case, this has more balance. you might want to do some side chaining with the guitar sound so it wont compete with your vocals, try experimenting with that. but the song itself is awesome. lots of promise. :)
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strangedream said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Hey Mannix
Could you help me with that? I'm not proficient in sidechaining, but it sounds like its worth a shot. That guitar has become the bane of my existence. Thanks.

Nat
chinaman2 said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Sure
but it's hard to explain in writing. I learned that from some DVDs I got from my subscription with Future Music & Computer Music; I'll look for some links via the internet. don't worry though since it's not that complicated. a lot of that has to do with 'feel" & basic knowledge of what instruments or sounds should (or can) be grouped together or isolated. & of course, some trial & error is involved :)
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chinaman2 said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
here's some links
not exactly for guitars, but the principles are quite likely the same :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjmZNDVfl70&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qyGcX8UDyI&feature=related
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strangedream said 2411 days ago (April 19th, 2011)
Thanks, Mannix!
I am going to go and watch these right now! Yay!
bud said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Great tune - crits cause you asked
Harold pretty much said it - but I think if you resolve the high frequency issue the vocals will be fine. Personally I like vocals a little buried - which is not the modern way. Since you're in school you probably know about doubling or tripling tracks with different eq's so you can switch back and forth to hear what works better.
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grahame1956 said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Bleeding Through
Hi Natalie. I really liked this and I can assure you that every musician, no matter how good you might think they are, suffers insecurity about their own work. You've put a lot of work into this and it shows. So I don't want to say too much (I'm gonna download it anyway!!) What I would suggest is keeping the words down in the lyrics? So, for example, where you are singing "like a piece of glass in my shoe" try using "is glass in my shoe" It's stronger and in lyrics you don't need the whole metaphor (or simile). I would also keep the overdubs on the vocals down. This is an angry young lady telling her guy he's let her down. Go for it, be angry, put all that attitude into it and trust your voice - it is great. Is that any help?
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grahame1956 said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Bleeding through
Oh no, I can't download it - I'm gutted
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strangedream said 2411 days ago (April 19th, 2011)
Thanks Grahame
For the suggestion. I will certainly keep that in mind next time. I've heard similar suggestions before regarding "less is more" in lyrics. Btw, I will post this for download when it's done. Til then, I don't want a craptastic mix floating around!
neilh79 said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Bleeding through
Wow you sing so well, your voice is beautiful. Soft and powerful awesome
alackbass said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Bleeding Through
I love the song and really love hearing you rock this hard! Great vocal!
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Jim Bouchard said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
constructive criticism
I like to think I can offer some constructive criticism in terms of mix and mastering. It could be the culprit is the preset in Ozone; I like using Ozone for mastering, but the presets, especially the ones with something like Rock in the name, all are too hot and over-saturated, going for a flashy sound that usually doesn't work for me. Usually I find that they overdo the high frequencies and use an aggressive limiting, and when the mix is done in Logic and you have compression and EQ and all on the individual tracks you need to do very little in mastering. I like the preset in Ozone called CD Mastering or something like that. It's very simple and sort of subtle.

At :50 seconds or so when the cymbals and guitars drop out, it gets into a very snake-y groove with the bass and toms and everything seems a bit cleaner. When the cymbals come back with the crunchy guitars it loses a bit of mystery and mojo.

So there's a couple things you could do: go back to the mix and either limit the tracks with the guitars and cymbals so they stay back a bit in the mix, so while they aren't really quieter, they are sublimated to the vocal a bit better. You could try spreading out the vocal using either doubling or duping tracks and panning the dups to the sides with different reverbs on them so the vocal will have a greater ambient spread, or you can eq the cymbals and guitars to roll off the highs so they have the same musical presence but don't step on the vocal. Was the guitar recorded live in the room with the drums at the same time? There may be too much bleed to take the cymbals down and not lose the snare snap, but it would be cool if you could find the snare hits and beef those up so that it was more of a pile-driver, but I am probably thinking of a technique where you put a gate on the snare hits so that you can pump that part up and use the snare to drive the song. The guitar part is pretty great, but it sounds a bit amp-sim-ish to me and I think a fatter sound for that could be found. This would allow the vocal to stand out a bit more when everything is going at once.

So that's all dealing more with the mix; it could be simpler to just choose a different setting in mastering, as I think the Rock Preset may be sort of the culprit. There's one called Rock Master-Excitation, EQ and Widening that is especially bad. It adds a bit too much Exciter and Stereo Imaging, as well as a pronounced bump in the 10k range of the EQ. All those Rock presets are very much going for an AM radio sound that isn't generally all that flattering, in my opinion. I'm not sure but it sounds like there's sort of a phasing sound over the instrumental part of the mix that I think is from some phase cancellation. Recording in a live room with a lot of bleed would mean that once you use the stereo imaging to give even more space, you send things out of phase. This could be checked if you look at the phase meter in that section of Ozone. If you use very little to none of the stereo imaging part of Ozone you might just fix that.

All that said, I think this is all very fixable, since they are tweaks either in the mix or the master, and the song is great and the vocal and instrumental performances are very well done. Mixing and mastering is a very difficult thing to master, especially in recording live music. I feel like if the initial live tracking is done properly, very little needs to be added later, and sometimes even if the recording is not exactly perfect, you might be better off leaving it a bit unvarnished and letting things breath a bit,and be what they are. Unless you are going for a processed sound, of course! There's so many different ways to approach music, so you probably will get a lot of different good advice. It's pretty subjective; as for me, I like a bit less sheen on my music, so I tend to be biased towards a more rough-edged sound. But since I have worked on a lot of band mixes, I thought I'd try to offer my perspective. Feel free to ignore me and do your own thing, of course! As long as you're having fun, that's all that matters!
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strangedream said 2411 days ago (April 19th, 2011)
Jim...
First of all, thank you immensely for taking the time to give so much advice. I appreciate it more than you could know. In my opinion, if something is really important to you to learn, the best way to go about it is to just put yourself out there, be humble, and ask for help. I thought you might find it pretty darn amusing that the Izotope preset you mentioned (the particularly awful one) is the one that I used. Ha!
Wummimann said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
...
good...very good...
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racerat said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Bleeding
I gotta tell ya, that guitar is a freaking buzzsaw of death. There are some timing issues, particularly at 00:25 when the drums come in and then again at 02:58 when they go out. The vocals have a great double-effect, nice harmonies. The EQ on the whole feels a little thin, a bit too much high end and not enough "meat" in the middle bands in the 1.6k-2.5k range. The kick on the drums needs some beefing up as well - it really is disappearing. The song structure is very cool, nice arrangement. The mix just needs some help IMHO to get to the level you are looking for. Keep it up!
RR
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strangedream said 2411 days ago (April 19th, 2011)
Racerat...
I agree wholeheartedly about the buzzsaw of death thing...however, I'm not quite sure how to fix it. It's a direct input, not mic'd through an amp. He used distortion via a board. I'm having a similar issue with the next song I'm working on. Any suggestions on what to do with a pre-distorted track to change the sound of it?
racerat said 2410 days ago (April 20th, 2011)
Bleeding
If the guitar track is already printed with distortion then your only option is radical EQ. But I have to say, a lot can be done with EQ. Try duplicating the track a few times and trying a bunch of different radical EQ's on them and then mute the others and listen. A/B-ing them. Experiment.

I have also done this: duplicate the track, EQ one of them really thick with heavy middle and bass, the other one EQ thinner with heavy mids and highs, then pan them about 25 degrees R and L and mix the levels to suit your taste. Then bus them to a single Aux bus fader so you can control them together when you are mixing levels.

The final option is to ask the guitar player to give you both a clean (totally DI with no effects) guitar track, as well as the distorted version next time. He'll have to have the capability to have 2 inputs and record on two different tracks though. Then you aren't locked in. You'll know where he wanted to go with it, but can do emergency triage if you need to.

hope that helps!
RR
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finkeldink said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Very cool
I really like this one a lot!

Reading through the critiques there isn't much more to be said.

This rocks!

Well done.
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VicDiesel said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Little to criticize
Good song, awesome vocals, on the whole nicely transparent mix.

Don't like: bass guitar who only plays the roots of the chords. F'r crying out loud, bass is part of the rhythm section.

Main gripe: that bee-in-a-jar sound of the guitar. In the beginning it's bearable, during the solo it lacks definition, and around 2:30 it's just a buzz in the background. Was this a real amp or emulated? If it's emulated, and you have the dry signal recorded, then please replace the amp.
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Carrie71 said 2412 days ago (April 18th, 2011)
Bleeding...
I am a fan of your vox and your lyrics! You are amazing. This one to me sounds as if the music was done and then the vocals were applied. If that makes sense. Feels pieced together. Is that the mix?
strangedream said 2411 days ago (April 19th, 2011)
Carrie:
Pieced together? Yep. The drums and bass were recorded in a studio setting, while the guitar and the vocals were recorded in a living room. We started off by tracking the whole thing at the school (all playing together in one room and such) but ended up overdubbing a bunch of it at home because it just didn't come out the way we envisioned it. Anything I could do to the mix to give it a more "live" feel?
JBurns said 2411 days ago (April 19th, 2011)
nice
hey I really like the song. The only thing that didn't sit well with me was the guitar tone. Just seemed fizzy and washed out.
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Soundhound said 2411 days ago (April 19th, 2011)
This is....
Really cool recording is a tricky thing, great sound for the guitars just
not compacted enough ( Compressed ) to give that bight, that you were
trying to get.....
Great voice you have, I would have push that up front just a touch more
give your vocal control of the front line...
Keep doing what your doing, Rome wasn't built in a day if you get my
drift.....

Nice one......
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ktb said 2411 days ago (April 19th, 2011)
Bleeding Through
saw your forum post and I'm glad I did. First off this is an extremely well written tune. I also agree with others that the mix sparkles despite your misgivings and that so often what one persons might critique is just a matter of opinion as opposed to a professional observation.

That said, I'll go an embarrass myself anyway wading in with what would
appeal to me in a remix.

- Bump up your vocal and maybe add a slight bit of reverb to match the backing tracks - or apply it overall
- back down (a tad) the distorted guitars, maybe only mix them in when the chorus comes around
- favor those dreamy synths you're using for the vocal parts?

All just off the cuff, but me thinks you've already surpassed me in the mix column of learning. Nicely done
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sammydix said 2411 days ago (April 19th, 2011)
impressive tune!
Good solid rocker with some depth. Who played guitar? was that you? surely that wasn't midi! Looks like Bouchard covered most of what anyone could say. Very knowledgeable dude it seems. My nit would be similar to Harold's--the tune could definitely benefit from some warmth; a little more bottom. Feels a bit to 'lite' for what it is. Songwriting still shines thru regardless.
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strangedream said 2410 days ago (April 20th, 2011)
Sammy..
It was NOT me playing guitar. That was my guitarist, Rob Lucas. He,s freaking awesome. Glad you liked the tune and thanks for taking the time to listen.
tonestones said 2411 days ago (April 19th, 2011)
Bleeding Through
Natalie, excellent job! Love the vocals. Nice effects. They sit really well in the mix. The drums turned out great. The overall mix is very nice. There is a little amp hum at the end. I might have chosen a different effect on the guitar. Someone mentioned a buzzsaw. I agree. It sounds pretty digital. However, overall this is really well done.
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strangedream said 2410 days ago (April 20th, 2011)
guitar
The effect on the guitar was a pedal we ran the guitar through. I'm not sure what to do with it, but I'm working on attempting to adjust the sound via EQ without putting any additional effect on it because I don't want to have to remix the whole song, lol.
tonestones said 2408 days ago (April 23rd, 2011)
No need to remix
I like the way it turned out. I've learned that I am never happy with a mix. There is always something you'd like to change. This stands really well on its own. No need to do it again.
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Carrie71 said 2410 days ago (April 20th, 2011)
well...
I hope I did not offend you. I absolutely love your work. Your one of the best female artist on this site. I guess since I am not musically inclined I can't suggest a fix...if one's needed? It sounds exactly like you said recorded in different spaces then mixed. So...enough said. I didn't say it in first comment but I still really dig this tune.
strangedream said 2409 days ago (April 22nd, 2011)
thanks, Carrie
No offense taken whatsoever.
particledots said 2410 days ago (April 21st, 2011)
basically
too much treble
harsh on the ears with all those high frequncies - kind of distorts the cymbals/crashes (of which there are too many in my opinion - no matter how good or bad the recording is)
in fact, that may be the root of the problem with the frequencies as a whole
is it possible to re-do the drums?
i guess probably not after reading the info about how the song was recorded

maybe to get the best possible results (the ones you are seeking in terms of a professional sound) it might be better to re-record the basic backing track
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strangedream said 2409 days ago (April 22nd, 2011)
Yeah,
I was hoping I wouldn't have to do that, but it looks like I may have little choice. :(
Sigmund said 2408 days ago (April 22nd, 2011)
Bleeding Through
Cool song - you don't need me telling you what you already know. I've listened a couple of times and I really like it! Nice work -
Sig
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strangedream said 2408 days ago (April 22nd, 2011)
Thanks, dearest.
Winks.
PeterB7858 said 2407 days ago (April 23rd, 2011)
Real strength of character...
Hi Natalie. Sorry to be late to the party. First of all I enjoyed the song. I love your vocals and the song has real strength of character. There seems to be lots of good advice from MJ'ers far more knowledgeable than me here so the only thing I will add is - trust your ears. If it sounds good to you, it probably is good. I await the final version. Warm regards, Peter.
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crissew said 2407 days ago (April 23rd, 2011)
So you are in a band now!
That is awesome. I like the vibe you have going here. Your vocals sound really great here. Love your voice always. I like the rock edge to this. On the mix, it seems a bit too heavy on the treble for my ear. I would like a bit more mid and bass and less in the 2k-4k range. I like the overall sound you are going for here. Keep on rockin girl!
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strangedream said 2407 days ago (April 23rd, 2011)
Thanks Charles
Nice to hear from you. I agree about the treble problem. Working on it. Thanks for the listen.

Natalie
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