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5X4 by ShadowofNine (w/organ+synth)


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This is the second version I did adding to ShadowofNine's fabulous progressive rock groove, 5X4. Since I'm posting both versions, as companions, I'll repeat some of what I said in the earlier version, in case you only listen to this track.

A third extended version has been added: 5X4 by ShadowofNine extended. I'd prefer that one for downloading, but this page for explanations and discussion.

When I head this short but powerful piece, I loved it. Then I read that Dave couldn't think of a keyboard part and had posted his original version without one. So I wrote him and asked if I could give it a try. He kindly said OK.

On the first take, I added a B3: 5X4 by ShadowofNine (w/organ). I knew from my initial hearing that it was not merely a 5/4 prog rock groove, that it had some clever meter shifting. It proved far more complicated than I first thought, with 6/4 section transitions, 7/4 chorus, and a 4/4+5/4 B section. I flew in ShadowofNine's mp3 into Logic and changed the time signatures in the program as a guide. As the changing meters flew by, I could better tell where the hits should be placed. It was great fun.

I used replacement chords throughout to give the piece a heightened harmonic sense. Since the lead guitar was kind of buried in the original mix, and now buried further due to the added organ, I thought I'd add a Jordan Rudess style lead synth. I tried to fill in the gaps and play with the lead guitar when it was forward enough in the mix to sound like a duet. Dave liked this version best, as do I. It has more of a completed feel than the organ only redo.

Again, thank you, ShadowofNine, for letting me screw around with your very very cool groove.

(Dave gave me an ok to download the track, even tho he disabled the original. Also, I asked Dave if he wanted to post it, but he asked me to. So, here it is!)

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davisamerica said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
crazy
cool Tobin and Dave ...... takes me back to Utopia .... excellent stuff guys
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TobinMueller said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
Utopia
Perfect world. I dig you. Thanks.
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ShadowofNine said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
To Cool
You maintained that Prog feel that the boys wanted to get, you added a fusion to the track Tobin that simply cooks right along Thxs for showing the interest and adding your keys to the song...you may enable the download on this for those who are interested...Thanks again...

Dave
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TobinMueller said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
Grokking the prog feel
Thanks, on many levels. Give my regards to the boys, since I totally dig this groove. Let me know if you want me to sit in on any future works in progress! I had a great time, in multiple times...
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Narad said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
5X4
Fabulous additions to a fabulous tune ! Bravi ! :)
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TobinMueller said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
fabulous tune
Thanks. That's why I wanted to join, cuz this groove is so magnetic, pulling you in, spiraling off all sorts of energy. I hope I increased the orbital intensity...
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guygrooves said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
This just....
blows my hair back... and thats a formidable task these days... oh ya and it blows my mind too. I wish I had these kind of chops, but I suppose if I did, I'd never leave the studio. Great music and writing guys, this is by far the best instrumental I have heard in a very long time.
Peace
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TobinMueller said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
hair
Thanks. Your hair comment made me smile. I have spent so much time in studios, some days oblivious to what the weather was outside or what time it might possibly be. I'm glad I'm in the garden more these days, actually. But was really happy Dave let me join in on this one. Glad it ranks up there for you. Totally fun, on my end.
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RochaMalhada said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
frikkin' A
+

Digging this one, too! Damn, it ended!

. - Harold
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TobinMueller said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
Short
Yes, it is too short. Took me hours to get in sync with, tho. I played it over and over. Made it seem longer, that way. Thanks for checking in.
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awigze said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
Shades of Giant
Most cool... Gentle Giant stylistically but more than that SO9 and TM more specifically
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TobinMueller said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
GG
Basking in the shade of the Gentle Giant. I was hearing Dream Theater, too. Throwback futuristic music, post-modern retro. Gotta love it. Thanks.
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thoddi said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
Blew me away
This is fab playing guys. I couldn't even think this kind of music, and would have dropped off in the first turn. It has a wonderful retro feel to it with loads of reference to artists who inspired this. I can visualize how you throw yourself over the keys Tobin... Very energetic performance. Bravo!
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TobinMueller said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
Throw over
Nothing like those easy to fly over no friction synth keys. I love playing one note at a time, so the restriction of a synth lead is great fun, enables much faster, freer playing. No worries about harmonies, comping, nothing but bird-like flights of fancy. Glad you liked the energy. Thanks.
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tonestones said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
Very cool track
Really dig this one. Very high energy. I wish it were longer. Great sound track material.
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TobinMueller said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
Wishing for longer
I know what you mean. After all the time it took to get the timing down, I was glad it was so short. But when listening back, I wish it was twice as long. I was listening in my iPad and whatever glitch is in play when listening on that platform made the song repeat, and I kind of liked it longer. I could extend the intro with edits, like I did with Struttin' Up Bourbon and make it longer that way. If it's destined for an album, I'd be happy to do that. Thanks for digging it.
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2-STAGE-2 said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
YES YES YES
This does ROCK! and kinda like YES.. great job fellas,,T
TobinMueller said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
YES
Yes is the most influential band in my formative years. I use things I've learned from them in orchestral music, jazz, song construction, and color variations. My favorite band of all time. Thanks.
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dimm witness said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
hey man!!
turn it up!! rockin!!
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TobinMueller said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
Turn It Up!
Thanks. It does need to be turned up a tad. I compressed the track a bunch, but didn't want to over-compress. Still, a little tweak up with the volume dial aids listening pleasure, for sure. Thanks.
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dave_b said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
5X4 by ShadowofNine
I dug the original, and the organ/synth additions are just fabulous. Great energy & intensity.
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TobinMueller said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
Great energy
Thanks. The groove is so infectious. I totally dig the drumming, the power he gets, drives the whole piece. And the lead guitar, altho slightly too soft, is perfectly placed, including those fab feedback squeals. I loved working with this sound.
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davisamerica2 said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
No energy shortage here.
Great music throughout. You guys are masters of your art. T
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TobinMueller said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
Shoulders of Giants
Thanks. The real masters are the guys who thought up this style. But I appreciate your comments.
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Garni said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
Brilliant!
Now thats some huge progressive rock!
Love this!

G-)
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TobinMueller said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
Huge
Thanks. It sounds even better in headphones, bigger. Some of the things that come across as imbalances, like the sudden higher EQ saturation on the lead guitar entrance, just sounds like a heightening of intensity in headphones. One of the cool things about rock music is how huge it can feel, and sometimes with only 3 guys (Cream, The Police, Jimi Hendrix Experience, etc.) I continual think how much some of my friends are missing who focus on jazz only or classical music or Broadway stuff. THey never have the scrotum buzzing head exploding deaf-defying experience of playing progressive rock!
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magnatone said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
5x4 2
oh man - well yes this is even better - holy cow, what's next? dave/tobin - match made in heaven!
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magnatone said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
and
this SO makes me think of YES!!!
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TobinMueller said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
YES
Yes!
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alackbass said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
5X4 by ShadowofNine (w/organ+synth)
Anybody who thinks prog-rock isn't fun needs to listen to this bad boy! I smiled the whole time. It's like Emerson and Wakeman are jamming with the Allman Brothers Band!
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TobinMueller said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
Prog is fun!
Emerson, Wakeman, Tony Kaye, Chris Squire sitting in with Duane Allman, Dickey Betts and Jaimoe Johanson, that would be a great show!! Thanks for giving my dreams a turbo boost.
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Char said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
Yup!
Damn good work, you two. Having this much fun should be illegal. Thanks.
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TobinMueller said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
should be illegal
I figure, if it tastes good, it must be good for you. Of course, I keep gaining weight, but how can my thesis be wrong? Doesn't my body know? Life is too short not to follow the bliss...
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Skweryl said 2146 days ago (June 9th, 2011)
Spinning my head is!
Quite an impressive achievment in ROCKING! My face is half off and the song has barely started! I give this hard and heavy rock rating!
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TobinMueller said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
ROCKING
Thanks for the hard and heavy rock rating! I totally dig it.
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jiguma said 2146 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
Oh yes!
This sounds amazing - I missed the original, which I'm sure probably stood up well on it's own, but this is just fantastic Tobin. I love a B3 - especially when it's played like this. Where do I sign up for lessons?
:)
Cheers from Oz,
Neil
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TobinMueller said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
B3
Thanks. Me too. I love just whacking out chords, playing with harmonics, finding related substitutions that jazz up a solid tonal center. Watching the players in my New Orleans visits has made me re-appreciate the backing potential of the B3. No sound like it. You should visit sometime! My door is always open to jigumas from Oz.
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gadzooks said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
5X4
This is soooo good. There is nothing like the sound of B3 with a leslie. The chordal changes are amazing. Just great playing all around.
SG
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TobinMueller said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
Leslie
Thanks for noticing the chordal changes. I imagine a spiraling whirligig type wheel with related chords to the one being played, and just sort of spin through them, smiling inside. I love playing on the periphery, not being the melody guy, but the listening and adding on guy. Lots more room to experiment.
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davisamerica said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
came back
for the download...Thanks Dave and Tobin!
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TobinMueller said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
download
Way cool. Thanks. And thanks, Dave, too.
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J_Gretch said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
Thank you sir
Thank's for sharing your knowledge and insight on putting this together.I actually listened to it a couple of times before reading your description.Understanding how it was done makes it even better.....hits play again.
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TobinMueller said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
Multiple listens
I love it when someone mentions multiple listens. When recording, we listen to things so many times, and so much more is revealed. To any music. I really appreciate it. Thanks.
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rok41 said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
5X4
Tobin, this smokes! Great playing here over the top of an already killer groove by So9. I miss prog!
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TobinMueller said 2143 days ago (June 12th, 2011)
I miss prog!
Thanks. Yes, a killer tune by So9. I miss prog, too. Not only that, since I listen to almost everything now in my house on little iHome speakers, prog doesn't have the same bit when I do plug it coming out of little speakers stuck into a bookshelf. Not like college days when everyone tried to out amp each other with giant woofers. Ah, well. That's why I prefer headphones...
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hackneybloke said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
5X4
i really like this tobin....more prog than your other stuff. sounds similar to the late departed reggie pole...a favourite of mine. ha...chuckled at the pearl & dean ending. too short tobin.....you could have taken it elsewhere and then come back. having said that....it's a gem....i'm just disappointed it ended so quickly.
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Vic Holman said 2145 days ago (June 10th, 2011)
5x4
ya know this seems like a totally logical collab. project. this is hot and a show stopper
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TobinMueller said 2143 days ago (June 12th, 2011)
Show stopper
Thanks. Yes, I hope Dave lets me sit in on more tunes.
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Sigmund said 2144 days ago (June 11th, 2011)
5X4
The minute this ultra cool piece starts I am reminded of Yes - the B3 and the 5/4 groove really kicks this song into overdrive quickly. Very impressive work, and very enjoyable to listen to - thanks!
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TobinMueller said 2143 days ago (June 12th, 2011)
Yes B3
I can remember the first time I heard Wakeman's B3 solo on Yes' "Roundabout". So cool. Always trying to capture that feeling, that excitement at the first bite of the organ. Thanks for tuning in.
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ktb said 2144 days ago (June 11th, 2011)
5X4 by ShadowofNine
This is where the youngin's chime in "sic". Absolute control and mastery here on keys Tobin. You should be giving master classes in how to capture B3 to disk. Very nice sir. My heart is just now calming down.
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TobinMueller said 2143 days ago (June 12th, 2011)
heart just now calming
Thanks. Your comments made me smile. When just the right setting is found on the B3, its so easy to sound edgy and exciting... while just using one finger on a key. Kind of feel like cheating, sometime, sense capturing that level of emotion on the piano takes a ton more work. I'm glad you dug it.
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twonicus said 2144 days ago (June 11th, 2011)
Awesomsuce!
I really enjoyed this. Thought the keyboards gave it a surprising dream theater feel. Never heard tobin remind me of Jordan Rudess so much...
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TobinMueller said 2143 days ago (June 12th, 2011)
Jordan Rudess
I rarely sound like him cuz it's so frickin' hard to play like him..!
I do love Dream Theater.
Thanks.
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KCsGROOVE said 2143 days ago (June 12th, 2011)
Cool progrock!
Had to think of a band called Mainhorse for a moment (patrick moraz)
Really cool additions , makes Dave's piece complete
Fav and download! :-)
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SCJohnson59 said 2143 days ago (June 12th, 2011)
Damn Right!!! :D
Karen said it best, this SO makes me think of YES! :D
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Doadars Uncle said 2143 days ago (June 12th, 2011)
Niceness!
Great growling, grinding! Love the signature.
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PeterB7858 said 2143 days ago (June 12th, 2011)
Energy packed....
Hi Tobin. So much energy packed into a small package. Love the B3. I am getting a Yes vibe as well - which has to be good!. Your track has spawned a beast, Dave. Regards to both of you, Peter.
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Ed Hannifin said 2143 days ago (June 12th, 2011)
Oh gosh....
Doesn't this take me back to a dorm room at BU and roommates with speakers that were WAY TOO BIG....Long ago, when prog was briefly king...

This is inventive and it's really tight. I didn't hear the other versions, but the organ and synth seem to these aging ears to suit the track very well. Very retro sound to the synth.

The guitar riffing is relentless and has a neat tone, and the bass really sits in there between the guitar riff and the drums...


TobinMueller said 2143 days ago (June 12th, 2011)
EQ and Compression
Thanks. Yes, takes me back to that era too. I remastered the track in Peak and totally crunched the mids, boosted bass EQ by over 5 dB, and limited the whole track to minimize spiking in upper notes in the synth and sow organ hits that got too loud. Boosting the bass and judicial band compression helped make it come alive. I'd do more if this was detained for CD release, but it works well this way, too. I'm glad itI brought back this fine years for you.
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RobLeBanc said 2143 days ago (June 12th, 2011)
Spectacular!
Wow, not many people around doing this kind of music these days, great throwback memories of de-seeding smoke on top of an old ELP album in the basement of a friends house. Really great Organ work, love this stuff!!
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mvh9591 said 2143 days ago (June 12th, 2011)
Nice____
Yes - Kansas - 5/4 - synth - guitar - syncopation - Progressive and building and stops to soon. :(

Great stuff Tobin - Enjoyed - Thanks for sharing,

mvh : )
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Llarion said 2142 days ago (June 13th, 2011)
Oh, the organ...
Just makes me ooze with envy... Serious prog with funky, 70s sensibility. My brain is just not wired for this kind of complexity. I don't know how you prog guys write and interpret and understand this stuff, but man, when it's done this well, it just envelops you. A truly pro mix, setting, staging, and presentation. I need to go hear the other iterations, as well as your other music and Shadow's too... Supreme efforts from all!
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