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This uses my Bulgarian Kaval. Also known as the flute from hell. Even after more than half a year of practice there are still times that I pick it up and get no sound.
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Uploaded: Feb 23, 2013 - 02:28:22 PM
Last Updated: Feb 23, 2013 - 02:31:20 PM Last Played: Mar 21, 2017 - 06:06:29 PM
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alackbass said 1582 days ago (February 23rd, 2013)
Never the twain
Well you sure did get a sound out of it this time! And a great sound it is! I love when the full backing track kicked in. Great contrast with the first part. Really first class work!
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paul f. page said 1582 days ago (February 23rd, 2013)
I beg to differ...
If this is the "flute from hell," then I want to visit often because the sound is just heavenly. I really like the drone/bass going on under that lovely opening...Ah, and then you take off with some quasi-classical riffs. What a surprising and delightful fancy. I only wish you would develop this second section for about another 30 seconds and then, perhaps, drop back and reprise your opening...with a long fade out. This is a really pleasing track.
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VicDiesel said 1582 days ago (February 23rd, 2013)
Drone
Thanks for the compliments. Actually, I agree with you that the second half needs a few more measures. Right now there is just one flute riff, and that could have been repeated a few times.
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Soundhound said 1582 days ago (February 23rd, 2013)
Not an easy instrument...
To play got to get that breathing down just right to be able to even
think about playing anything.....

Well done good groove on the turn around, it would be interesting
if you came in from the top with the band, then do a bridge with the
flute and ride out with the flute and the band.... just a thought it's
more then likely way to much work.... :-)
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Philip18 said 1582 days ago (February 23rd, 2013)
Never the twain
Beautiful breathy tone from the flute. Lively section from the band. All very skilful. Delightful music!
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Trillian said 1582 days ago (February 24th, 2013)
Very Beautiful....
Bulgarian Kaval ~ hmmm... at first impression I felt as though I heard many different cultures blending together in harmony ~ some Native American, some Isreali, some Middle Eastern, some Eastern European Folk music ~ some of India's flavor, etc... the world's music ~ one of the first musical instruments crafted to express the complexity of the human soul in contemplation of the world and its universe ~ a searching melody lifted toward the divinity of all human souls connected through space and time as "One" universal quest for our yearning and connection with each other and the divine that lives deep inside us all. Inspiring & Beautiful.
Trillian said 1582 days ago (February 24th, 2013)
Never the 'twain shall meet......
Pragmatists vs. Idealists.... sigh... "Never the 'Twain Shall Meet" , let us each and every human soul's individual ego pray for humility, understanding and faith in the divinity that lives in each of our hearts that knows the difference between self(ish) preservation and universal harmony. Understanding each other's fears is the beginning ~ Musicians' music and profound lyrics are the beginnings of the bridge that "soothes the savage beast" by connecting us all. Well.... one can always hope,,,, : )
VicDiesel said 1581 days ago (February 24th, 2013)
Twain
Thanks for the dual reviews. Yes, there are some influences in this, and I get great joy out of making them all live peacefully together. The world would be so much better if we could all just make music like that. (I play occasionally in two middle eastern ensembles, and somehow musicians from east and west just delight in making music together. It's all beautiful, no matter where it comes from. With one ensemble we did a gig a while back in four languages, none of them English; and we had musicians from the US, Europe, Middle East, and Latin America. A wonderful time was had by all.)
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that80sboy said 1582 days ago (February 24th, 2013)
hey!
that was a coooool ride!
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mvh9591 said 1581 days ago (February 24th, 2013)
Nice
Very nice Vic

Enjoyed - Thanks for sharing,

mvh : )
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apb said 1581 days ago (February 24th, 2013)
Brief
Exquisite intro and I too loved the upbeat groovy/ethnic spiced classical roller-coaster ride- was just getting ready for the kaval to re-appear as lead on that bed but when it did .. it faded out. Darn. Enjoyed all I heard all the same.
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oldlibmike said 1581 days ago (February 24th, 2013)
Sounds amazing!
I only fake flutes with EWI and samples - this reminds me how far from live that is. Great sounds and mixing. You must have good recording equipment to go with the talent! Must admit I've never even heard of a Kaval!
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VicDiesel said 1581 days ago (February 24th, 2013)
Never heard of a kaval?!
It's somewhat related to the Turkish / Egyptian Ney which is far better known.

My recording setup is not all that great, and in this case I was actually quite unhappy with the recorded sound. The outcome is largely courtesy of the amazing RaySpace reverb. Somehow the wash of the reverb makes the wind noise of the flute more palatable, in addition of course to giving a sense of space to an otherwise pretty dry recording. I really need to get a better setup.
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Ed Hannifin said 1581 days ago (February 24th, 2013)
I like it when recordings...
...of 'breath' instruments manage to capture the sense of life that comes with something that close to what keeps us alive AND also manages to sound warm rather than shrill...

I agree with Paul that I want to hear more of what's starting to happen in the ending section...
Feter said 1581 days ago (February 24th, 2013)
Never the twain
Good job , I know what you mean . this looks like the traditional Arabian Flute called (Nay) which you can find it in the old world from Japan to EU , I have tried these and they are pretty tricky specially when you want to have a clean whole note not a quarter note to play with Western scale .Thanks for sharing !
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VicDiesel said 1581 days ago (February 24th, 2013)
Ney / Nay
You're right, it's pretty much the same principle. The kaval is diatonic, whereas the Ney produces some maqam. Btw, have you ever seen the ney played "interdental" style? I mean, I already find this bilabial style hard enough; interdental just makes me say "No way am I going to try that!".
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Feter said 1581 days ago (February 24th, 2013)
Ney / Nay
If I know what you are talking about ;-))
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Garni said 1580 days ago (February 25th, 2013)
Never the twain
Brilliant!

G-)
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DWL said 1580 days ago (February 25th, 2013)
Wonderful intro
the sound of the flute is excellent, the breathy sound works really well and the non-Western scales are very effective.

I think I'd have liked to have the flute in a more dominant role in the final section. It sounded like it was just taking off at the end though and maybe you should have carried on..

Cheers

Dick
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Vic Holman said 1580 days ago (February 25th, 2013)
Never the twain
excellent. i do agree with paul. or maybe i just wanted to hear more of this cool piece
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gadzooks said 1578 days ago (February 27th, 2013)
Never the twain
Fabulously haunting at the start and that drone in the background ... I also wanted to hear the Kaval from hell through the more rhythmic section and I felt that section was too electronic sounding ... would have preferred real hand drums and a more organic sound like the first half. It's all subjective ... this is a really well done piece.
SG

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Skunkwrx said 1577 days ago (February 28th, 2013)
Fine stuff!
The first section has a big, airy sound, but the second part rules. Your backing instruments share some timbre (or maybe EQ space) with the Kaval which creates a fleeting melding of sounds in spots that I really liked. Good vibe throughout!
Thanks,

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richard13 said 1576 days ago (March 1st, 2013)
Seems like we all agree...
This needs to be longer. Lovely sounds and energetic rhythms Vic: I guess you just ran out of steam. I really enjoyed it, however short, and took a copy; thanks.
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PeterB7858 said 1572 days ago (March 5th, 2013)
Never the twain
Another enjoyable adventure out of the mainstream (for me), Vic. Thanks. It was just starting to tap my feet and it faded out :-( Take care, Peter.
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