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springclock
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Registered: 11/21/05
Posts: 915
Location: greenville, il. usa
 
Re:Get The Shovels Out
Sunday, October 05 2008 @ 04:23 PM CDT

Quote by: guitapick
Quote by: Godchaser
It seems as though the time is ripe;if we could all come together as one,a "one world nation",ridding the land(s)of all the invisible currencies floating about and all the evil people perpetuating this maddness reeking untold global havic;if somehow,someway or someone;get rid of all this bad money by perhaps,just perhaps forming a simple "all for one" mark or rather implant just under the skin,say on the forehead or the forearm of every one that wants to buy,sell or trade in some sort'a fresh,new grand and glorious "one world system";thereby eliminating all the............
oh, sorry.I've read about this and it doesn't end so well for those that recieve that mark.So sorry for the interruption,carry on.


As I was reading this post, I kept saying to myself:
"Hmmmm...I don't like where this is going".
I DO like the idea of a flat tax with no loopholes, though. And campaign financing through taxes (not billions or millions, btw).



I think it was intended as sarcasm..... but I also love the idea of a flat tax.... seems to be the fairest approach....

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guitapick
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Registered: 01/18/07
Posts: 2031
Location: New York City, USA
 
Re:Get The Shovels Out
Sunday, October 05 2008 @ 04:49 PM CDT

I was joking, springclock. Should have put the:
Wink
in there.

If the people who set the laws didn't benefit from them to such a major degree, we'd be in much better shape.

There just HAS to be a way to turn this thing around. Seriously. When Reagan first took office, after taking away psychological counseling from the Vietnam vets, he proclaimed that the withdrawal from that war had nothing to do with the protests, here in the U.S. This dismissal of the power of dissent has been ongoing ever since. Articles were written about how the middle class is only a blip on the radar in terms of historical phenomena. How things are now getting back to "normal".

A gradual undermining of the common will.

We need to take back and exert our common will.

I live between the notes

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guitapick
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Registered: 01/18/07
Posts: 2031
Location: New York City, USA
 
Re:Get The Shovels Out
Sunday, October 05 2008 @ 04:51 PM CDT

Quote by: springclock
Quote by: SmokeyVW
Anyone here remember the Savings and Loan fiasco and government bailout during the 80's?




Hell....anyone remember this?

"WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial
by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in
The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that
Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush,
served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative
for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926
until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush
and his "enemy national" partners.

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according
to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury, tried to
conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz
Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s,
personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion
of democratic principle and German law.

Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush
and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger
brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George
Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather,
continued their dealings with the German industrial tycoon for
nearly a year after the U.S. entered the war.

The unraveling of the web of Bush-Harriman-Thyssen U.S.
enterprises, all of which operated out of the same suite of
offices at 39 Broadway in New York under the supervision of
Prescott Bush, began with a story that ran simultaneously in
the New York Herald-Tribune and Washington Post on July 31,
1941. By then, the U.S. had been at war with Germany for
nearly eight months.

"Hitler's Angel Has $3 Million in U.S. Bank," declared the front-page
Herald-Tribune headline. The lead paragraph characterized Fritz
Thyssen as "Adolf Hitler's original patron a decade ago." In fact,
the steel and coal magnate had aggressively supported and funded
Hitler since October 1923, according to Thyssen's autobiography,
I Paid Hitler. In that book, Thyssen also acknowledges his direct
personal relationships with Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Rudolf
Hess.

The Herald-Tribune also cited unnamed sources who suggested
Thyssen's U.S. "nest egg" in fact belonged to "Nazi bigwigs" including
Goebbels, Hermann Goering, Heinrich Himmler, or even Hitler himself.

The "bank," founded in 1924 by W. Averell Harriman on behalf of
Thyssen and his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. of Holland,
was Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York City. According
to government documents, it was in reality a clearing house for a
number of Thyssen-controlled enterprises and assets, including as
many as a dozen individual businesses. UBC also bought and shipped
overseas gold, steel, coal, and U.S. Treasury bonds. The company's
activities were administered for Thyssen by a Netherlands-born,
naturalized U.S. citizen named Cornelis Lievense, who served as
president of UBC. Roland Harriman was chairman and Prescott Bush
a managing director.

On October 20, 1942, under authority of the Trading with the
Enemy Act, the U.S. Congress seized UBC and liquidated its
assets after the war. The seizure is confirmed by Vesting
Order No. 248 in the U.S. Office of the Alien Property Custodian
and signed by U.S. Alien Property Custodian Leo T. Crowley.

In August, under the same authority, Congress had seized the
first of the Bush-Harriman-managed Thyssen entities,
Hamburg-American Line, under Vesting Order No. 126, also
signed by Crowley. Eight days after the seizure of UBC,
Congress invoked the Trading with the Enemy Act again to
take control of two more Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses
- Holland-American Trading Corp. (Vesting Order No. 261)
and Seamless Steel Equipment Corp. (Vesting Order No. 259).

The documents from the Archives also show that the Bushes
and Harrimans shipped valuable U.S. assets, including gold, coal,
steel and U.S. Treasury bonds, to their foreign clients overseas
between 1931-33, as Hitler engineered his rise to power.

In the 1990s, former U.S. Justice Department Nazi war
crimes prosecutor John Loftus, now honorary president
of the Florida Holocaust Museum, wrote a book and launched
a web site (www.john-loftus.com) which did breakthrough
reporting, including establishing the link between Prescott
Bush, Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation and forced
labor at Auschwitz. Although the widely-respected Loftus
established a successful international speaking career with
his information, no U.S. newspaper or major TV news
program acknowledged his decade of work, nor did he ever
see many of the recently released documents.

Newsweek Polska, the magazine's Polish edition, published
a short piece on the "Bush Nazi past" in its March 5, 2003
edition. The item reported that "the Bush family reaped
rewards from the forced-labor prisoners in the Auschwitz
concentration camp," according to a copyrighted
English-language translation from Scoop Media...."

And the hit's just keep on coming....George W. Bush's grandfather helped finance the Nazi Party. Karl Rove's grandfather allegedly helped run the Nazi Party, and helped build the Birkenau Death Camp. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Austrian father volunteered for the infamous Nazi SA and became a ranking officer.


But hey..... there are no elitist Nazi sons of bitches still at work in the world....no not at all.... all is well....move along....

peace and future


BTW: this is some very, very heavy duty stuff. Could you please tell me what the source is of this writing?

I live between the notes

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springclock
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Registered: 11/21/05
Posts: 915
Location: greenville, il. usa
 
Re:Get The Shovels Out
Sunday, October 05 2008 @ 05:10 PM CDT

google: prescott bush

and all sorts of sources will begin popping up.... go with the mainstream links first.... then you realize how real it is....

happy hunting....

p.s. also google terms like Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, O.T.O. Project Paperclip, Project Northwoods, AIDS Bayer, eugenics..... enjoy!

again..... go with the mainstream articles first before descending into that hellish abyss called the blog-o-sphere.... where BS reigns supreme.... If it were just on "conspiracy theory" sites I would be quick to dismiss it..... but when you start pulling things up from Time, Newsweek, New York Times, USA Today, NBC, CNN, Fox, CBS, ABC etc., well things start to get a bit creepy..... then you start going through the news wires (AP and such) and start finding even worse stories that at best may scroll across the bottom of the screen on the CNN ticker....maybe.....

but NO!..... No one is controlling what gets seen and discussed....not at all..... The CIA only have operatives at the news agencies (publicly reported on btw) but no.....there is no manipulation..... there are no psy op's being used against the public to control them through fear of everything.....nope....not at all....

all is well.... move along..... you're free if you are told you are free.... right?



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MotherofMeursault
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Registered: 09/28/08
Posts: 385
Location: , United States
 
Re:Get The Shovels Out
Sunday, October 05 2008 @ 08:28 PM CDT

Quote by: guitapick
I was joking, springclock. Should have put the:
Wink
in there.

If the people who set the laws didn't benefit from them to such a major degree, we'd be in much better shape.

There just HAS to be a way to turn this thing around. Seriously. When Reagan first took office, after taking away psychological counseling from the Vietnam vets, he proclaimed that the withdrawal from that war had nothing to do with the protests, here in the U.S. This dismissal of the power of dissent has been ongoing ever since. Articles were written about how the middle class is only a blip on the radar in terms of historical phenomena. How things are now getting back to "normal".

A gradual undermining of the common will.

We need to take back and exert our common will.



I can tell from your posts that current events weigh heavy on your soul, but what exactly do you mean by 'common will'? And how do you propose to assert it?
 
guitapick
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Registered: 01/18/07
Posts: 2031
Location: New York City, USA
 
Re:Get The Shovels Out
Monday, October 06 2008 @ 05:23 AM CDT

An example of the common will is our right to assemble and protest. Another is to vote. So many many people don't vote. Another is to pressure your representatives.

I'm not talking about violent measures. Please don't take it that way. Timothy McVeigh was a very painful lesson about that. I'm very much against that.

I live between the notes

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