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chikoppi
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Re:Mueller vs. Edward R. Morrow
Monday, December 17 2018 @ 04:13 PM CST

Quote by: MikeRobinson
Okay, Chikoppi, I shall graciously yield the debate-floor on these points after giving you the final word.

I will, meanwhile, be wondering “should I laugh or cry?” when it comes to the latest twist – which somehow seems to be taken deadly seriously by people who have been wet-dreaming about the prospect of “Watergate 2.0” over the last two-and-a-half years – the matter of a couple of ex-Playboy Bunnies.

“One of the richest men on Planet Earth,” and (no doubt) “yet another couple of females who are trying to extort him into a compromising position by suggesting in public that they had maneuvered his into just such a position.”   As though such a thing (gasp!! horrors!!) had never occurred to any other man who found himself in a position of wealth or power.   As though a lawyer could commit some terrible offense by advising the rich man to (once again ...) hand the girls some cash to make them go away.   As though this somehow amounted to “a felony violation of campaign finance laws.”

Clue ’ya:   DT has so fuckin’ much money that he really doesn’t and didn’t need “campaign finance.”   He paid the girls off using his own abundant cash.   He is several thousand times wealthier than anybody else in Washington, DC.

(I wonder if these ladies are foolish enough to follow Monica into the spotlight?   They promised her a movie, too ...)

Trouble is – when you are “The Swamp™” that in 2016 the American electorate voted their determination to drain, your determination to hold on to power, “at whatever cost,” blinds you.   You find yourself surrounded by people who tell you what you want to hear, and by people who are all-too-happy to tell you exactly what you want to hear if you’ll pay them tens of millions of dollars.   Mueller’s well-heeled gang of lawyers have been playing the Democratic Party for suckers, and they’ve never yet caught on.


This is what I mean by your inability to reason concisely.

What does the question of whether DJT had illicit affairs have to do with the legitimacy of the Meuller investigation? None. What was uncovered in the course of the investigation is that the payments made to these women were most likely in violation of campaign finance laws. There are tapes and financial documentation. These alleged crimes fall fully within the scope of the appointment order.

Also...too naive to escape the manipulations of a porn star, but absolutely trusted to negotiate in secret with ex KGB and four term murderous dictator-in-chief Putin? Maybe we should have sent the porn star.

DJT is the template for "the swamp." He's run crooked businesses (including de facto fraudulent enterprises), a crooked charity (under investigation by the state of NY), and hired a raft of crooks and liars to cover for him.

Have a look at some substantiated facts:https://www.propublica.org/series/trump-inc

During his time in office he has used his position to enrich himself (including hundreds of millions poured into his businesses by foreign regimes) in possible violation of the emoluments clause, appointed brazen and often incompetent industry lobbyists to positions of regulatory authority, gifted the corporate elite with excuse from accountability and oversight, signed a deficit-exploding tax cut that disproportionately enriched corporate owners, lied to the public with comical frequency, routinely circumvented transparency and ethics regulations, almost certainly obstructed justice, and rolled timidly over for murderous but wealthy autocrats while alienating and abandoning our longstanding and faithful allies.

"The swamp" is happy to have Trump where he is, because nothing could be better for business. Take a look at the most shady and suspect members of congress, the ones who are consistently paid by special interests to pass legislation. Are they or are they not the most ardent DJT supporters?

All of which, again, is irrelevant with respect to the legitimacy of the Meuller investigation.

I hope you're right. I hope the investigation turns up nothing further. Either way, at some point you'll need to start holding this administration accountable for its actions, rather than consistently avoiding acknowledgement of the facts. Everybody burns in a house fire, whether acknowledging it is convenient for them or not.

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SmokeyVW
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Re:Mueller vs. Edward R. Morrow
Monday, December 17 2018 @ 05:27 PM CST

Quote by: chikoppi
Quote by: MikeRobinson
Okay, Chikoppi, I shall graciously yield the debate-floor on these points after giving you the final word.

I will, meanwhile, be wondering “should I laugh or cry?” when it comes to the latest twist – which somehow seems to be taken deadly seriously by people who have been wet-dreaming about the prospect of “Watergate 2.0” over the last two-and-a-half years – the matter of a couple of ex-Playboy Bunnies.

“One of the richest men on Planet Earth,” and (no doubt) “yet another couple of females who are trying to extort him into a compromising position by suggesting in public that they had maneuvered his into just such a position.”   As though such a thing (gasp!! horrors!!) had never occurred to any other man who found himself in a position of wealth or power.   As though a lawyer could commit some terrible offense by advising the rich man to (once again ...) hand the girls some cash to make them go away.   As though this somehow amounted to “a felony violation of campaign finance laws.”

Clue ’ya:   DT has so fuckin’ much money that he really doesn’t and didn’t need “campaign finance.”   He paid the girls off using his own abundant cash.   He is several thousand times wealthier than anybody else in Washington, DC.

(I wonder if these ladies are foolish enough to follow Monica into the spotlight?   They promised her a movie, too ...)

Trouble is – when you are “The Swamp™” that in 2016 the American electorate voted their determination to drain, your determination to hold on to power, “at whatever cost,” blinds you.   You find yourself surrounded by people who tell you what you want to hear, and by people who are all-too-happy to tell you exactly what you want to hear if you’ll pay them tens of millions of dollars.   Mueller’s well-heeled gang of lawyers have been playing the Democratic Party for suckers, and they’ve never yet caught on.


This is what I mean by your inability to reason concisely.

What does the question of whether DJT had illicit affairs have to do with the legitimacy of the Meuller investigation? None. What was uncovered in the course of the investigation is that the payments made to these women were most likely in violation of campaign finance laws. There are tapes and financial documentation. These alleged crimes fall fully within the scope of the appointment order.

Also...too naive to escape the manipulations of a porn star, but absolutely trusted to negotiate in secret with ex KGB and four term murderous dictator-in-chief Putin? Maybe we should have sent the porn star.

DJT is the template for "the swamp." He's run crooked businesses (including de facto fraudulent enterprises), a crooked charity (under investigation by the state of NY), and hired a raft of crooks and liars to cover for him.

Have a look at some substantiated facts:https://www.propublica.org/series/trump-inc

During his time in office he has used his position to enrich himself (including hundreds of millions poured into his businesses by foreign regimes) in possible violation of the emoluments clause, appointed brazen and often incompetent industry lobbyists to positions of regulatory authority, gifted the corporate elite with excuse from accountability and oversight, signed a deficit-exploding tax cut that disproportionately enriched corporate owners, lied to the public with comical frequency, routinely circumvented transparency and ethics regulations, almost certainly obstructed justice, and rolled timidly over for murderous but wealthy autocrats while alienating and abandoning our longstanding and faithful allies.

"The swamp" is happy to have Trump where he is, because nothing could be better for business. Take a look at the most shady and suspect members of congress, the ones who are consistently paid by special interests to pass legislation. Are they or are they not the most ardent DJT supporters?

All of which, again, is irrelevant with respect to the legitimacy of the Meuller investigation.

I hope you're right. I hope the investigation turns up nothing further. Either way, at some point you'll need to start holding this administration accountable for its actions, rather than consistently avoiding acknowledgement of the facts. Everybody burns in a house fire, whether acknowledging it is convenient for them or not.


thank you for a concise summary of the situation.
magnatone
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Re:Mueller vs. Edward R. Morrow
Monday, December 17 2018 @ 06:54 PM CST

Quote by: MikeRobinson
Okay, Chikoppi, I shall graciously yield the debate-floor on these points after giving you the final word.

I will, meanwhile, be wondering “should I laugh or cry?” when it comes to the latest twist – which somehow seems to be taken deadly seriously by people who have been wet-dreaming about the prospect of “Watergate 2.0” over the last two-and-a-half years – the matter of a couple of ex-Playboy Bunnies.

“One of the richest men on Planet Earth,” and (no doubt) “yet another couple of females who are trying to extort him into a compromising position by suggesting in public that they had maneuvered his into just such a position.”   As though such a thing (gasp!! horrors!!) had never occurred to any other man who found himself in a position of wealth or power.   As though a lawyer could commit some terrible offense by advising the rich man to (once again ...) hand the girls some cash to make them go away.   As though this somehow amounted to “a felony violation of campaign finance laws.”

Clue ’ya:   DT has so fuckin’ much money that he really doesn’t and didn’t need “campaign finance.”   He paid the girls off using his own abundant cash.   He is several thousand times wealthier than anybody else in Washington, DC.

(I wonder if these ladies are foolish enough to follow Monica into the spotlight?   They promised her a movie, too ...)

Trouble is – when you are “The Swamp™” that in 2016 the American electorate voted their determination to drain, your determination to hold on to power, “at whatever cost,” blinds you.   You find yourself surrounded by people who tell you what you want to hear, and by people who are all-too-happy to tell you exactly what you want to hear if you’ll pay them tens of millions of dollars.   Mueller’s well-heeled gang of lawyers have been playing the Democratic Party for suckers, and they’ve never yet caught on.



we have now entered the twilight zone

or maybe the sunken place .....

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bud
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Re:Mueller vs. Edward R. Morrow
Monday, December 17 2018 @ 09:34 PM CST

Quote by: MikeRobinson

And, to those of you who might too-quickly dismiss the parallels that have been drawn between Sen. Joseph McCarthy and the contemporary happenings of today, I would simply say – click, and listen carefully.



I couldn't agree more. But as I see it, DJT is McCarthy; the great divider, destroyer of lives, and conspiracy cosplayer. Meanwhile, Mueller is E.R Morrow; defender of truth, and impartial reporter of facts. It took me a while, but it became more evident with each subsequent post here. Clarity is a beautiful thing.

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MikeRobinson
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Re:Mueller vs. Edward R. Morrow
Tuesday, December 18 2018 @ 10:08 AM CST

DT was specifically hired by the majority of US States to be an agent of disruptive change, aiming straight at the apple-cart which voters called “The Swamp.™”   When you do that, you make enemies.   But it is astonishing to me how thoroughly he has also divided people’s opinions, and prompted those people to express their opinions very, very strongly.   The word is, polarized.   In this scenario there is no in-between.

But, even so, I sense that there are out there hundreds of millions of people who don’t consider themselves to be polarized at all.   They don’t see DT as either god nor devil, and they don’t have busts of HC on altars in their houses.   Media coverage simply insists that such people cannot exist.

DT represents a political establishment’s worst nightmare:   he came from nowhere, he didn’t get to where he was by climbing political ladders (in DC), and he is f*cking rich.   Far richer than they are, and his money did not come ... did not have to come ... from “campaign finance.”   And they have been singularly fixated on him ever since.

Ironically, if one ponders “why did HC lose?” I really cannot come up with a better reason than this.   DT has been upsetting apple-carts since the day he arrived in town, as he said he would do.   What, exactly, have his opponents done except to endlessly plot against him, and at our expense?   We are supposed to have a government to run here.   Maybe it is time to stop fixating on the thought of watching “Tricky Dick Trump” sailing away in a chopper ... but, can they actually do anything else?

Maybe the key reason why HC lost is that it never crossed her mind that she actually could.   It certainly does not cross their mind today that they cannot now summarily get rid of DT.   More things have changed in the USA in the last two years than in the last fifty.   Could it be that the voters are getting exactly what they wanted?
chikoppi
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Re:Mueller vs. Edward R. Morrow
Tuesday, December 18 2018 @ 11:21 AM CST

Nope. These are all evidence-free post-hoc rationalizations.

People like Sheldon Adelson, Mich McConnell, Steve Mnuchin, Betsy DeVos, etc. are as "establishment" as one could possibly get. All are members of the wealthy and politically connected elite, all have a distinctly pro-establishment agenda, all are people empowered and rewarded by DJT, and all are people who vigorously support and defend him. They aren't alone. Trump has filled his cabinet exclusively with establishment appointments and corporate looters.


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J.A.Stewart
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Re:Mueller vs. Edward R. Morrow
Tuesday, December 18 2018 @ 11:30 AM CST

Quote by: Ed Hannifin
Quote by: MikeRobinson
Okay, Chikoppi, I shall graciously yield the debate-floor on these points after giving you the final word.




I'll believe it when I see it. As many times as you have claimed you will bow out of your constantly-moving-goalpost arguments in these threads, I've never seen you successfully accomplish it... .



Whew! I thought I might be the only one who noticed this proclivity, Ed.

But after considering the matter, without seeking any actual facts — or considering the obvious evidence — I have concluded that "Mike Robinson" is actually...

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...and that Larry is just here having a little contrarian fun with us. Or, perhaps it's Just Us, poking our noses in where it's not welcome.

Clearly, all the pieces fit (in my view), so it must be so.

Lighten up, Mike. You seem to be far more exercised about things than you imagine others to be.

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MikeRobinson
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Re:Mueller vs. Edward R. Morrow
Tuesday, December 18 2018 @ 11:40 AM CST

Perhaps what I want to see most of all is for all this talk – and spending – about “Playboy bunnies” to end, and for elected lawmakers to start focusing on the actual issues that face the country.   (Trump paid the girls off out of his own pocket.   If you are a billionaire, you can do that sort of thing, and this certainly will not have been the first time he’s had to do it.   Extortion can be profitable whether you are in politics or real estate, as Monica-L also observed.)

No one is talking about, for example, why no one in America can go to the hospital without risking bankruptcy.   No one seems concerned that the “defense budget” is well on its way to topping one quadrillion USD a year.   No, the one and only thing you see overhead are the buzzards, circling.

“Gentlepeople, this is why she lost!”
J.A.Stewart
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Re:Mueller vs. Edward R. Morrow
Tuesday, December 18 2018 @ 11:54 AM CST

Nope.

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magnatone
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Re:Mueller vs. Edward R. Morrow
Tuesday, December 18 2018 @ 12:01 PM CST

Nope.

my most recent song: "First Light (solo piano)"