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album: Beyond One's Control
track 1: 3:57 How And Why
track 2: 2:40 That's Progress
track 3: 6:56 Unwinding Time
track 4: 8:21 Quant
track 5: 3:37 Five on Seven
track 6: 2:46 New Amsterdam
track 7: 4:12 Vicki Kierkegaard
track 8: 6:56 Remember Petr Dumfrey
track 9: 9:01 Another DDT
track 10: 2:19 In The Mess
track 11: 5:21 Tempus
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Song Description

Long ago I had crush on this girl, Ginny Hough. My friend Dan had a crush on a friend of hers named Lynn Bolster. Sometimes the two of us would try to track them down on their way home from school. I'd try to ask Ginny if I could carry her books home from school. (I don't recall if she ever let me...) Remember, this was back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, so it was all rather innocent.

But, I suppose I became insufferable.

And then one day at school, Ginny handed me a large handwritten note, maybe two or three pages, folder over thrice. I was thrilled. Back at home I read it. It was very carefully written, complete with little hearts over each and every "i".

And in this note she wrote a very nice "leave me alone" message. She then quoted all the lyrics from the Stone Poneys song, "Different Drummer" (Linda Ronstadt, Nesmith, really).

I was heart-broken. I was eleven. What did I know?

But the concept of different drummers has stayed with me all my life. Silly me.

So, here you go...

And, Ginny, are you out there? I still love you.
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Uploaded: Jun 02, 2007 - 07:44:59 PM
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said 4400 days ago (June 2nd, 2007)
Very beautiful
The concept of different drummers is a very contemplative and poetic thought, and your song reflects this perfectly. 5's and 7's, and trying to keep up with someone walking at a slightly different pace or that is the picture that comes to mind. A pretty picture.
SmokeyVW said 4397 days ago (June 5th, 2007)
i had some technical difficulties making this 5 / 7 rhythm work. perhaps that's not unlike how two people have trouble making their lives fit together? everyone is different. but there is always a common denominator...


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paddler said 4400 days ago (June 2nd, 2007)
I felt like I was walking through a cathedral of angels but with a wooden leg.Fantasickly original and refreshing to my ears anyway,VW great!
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SmokeyVW said 4397 days ago (June 5th, 2007)
i hear you about the wooden leg!

man, this 5 / 7 thing is a nightmare!

the middle part of the pattern with the "before" and "after" thing is the worst. it's like you need to do a flam, immediately followed by a backwards flam. i'll try to explain, if you don't know what i'm trying to say here - it's hard to explain...

anyway, thanks!
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paddler said 4400 days ago (June 2nd, 2007)
Also - I got so in sync with a girl once years ago in teenage years - we used to walk at a compromised in-between average speed so that our footsteps matched,we were so young and moody that we used to quarrel if one was walking quicker or slower cos it apparently meant something more.AHAHA..ho,hummm...
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SmokeyVW said 4397 days ago (June 5th, 2007)
it's funny you say this. i recall the same "walking in step" silliness too. at the time it seemed vitally important. maybe it's true that youth is wasted on the young.
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jamorama said 4400 days ago (June 2nd, 2007)
way cool
I was hooked from the gitgo, by whatever that percussion was...

and then the changes keep everything interesting thru the whole affair and lend a certain meta-rhythm logic to the entirety.... like you revisiting the Ginny fantasy every few decades. It must be Spring.

Nice work.
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SmokeyVW said 4397 days ago (June 5th, 2007)
that percussion is whacked! the picture actually shows you what is happening. there are two repetitions shown there. the middle part is oddest (about 1/4 of the way into the picture) - that's where one set of beats closely surrounds the other...

the symbolism does attract me. maybe it comes back into phase every decade or so?

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chinaman2 said 4399 days ago (June 3rd, 2007)
beating heart
there's no better source of inspiration than the travails of the heart; thanks for sharing this wonderful piece.
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SmokeyVW said 4397 days ago (June 5th, 2007)
somehow the 5 on 7 rhythm and the remembrance just floated up together.

perhaps my heartbreak after many years made this become a song, but also perhaps, the song came first and reminded me of the heartbreak. i don't know.


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said 4399 days ago (June 3rd, 2007)
Spring :-)
I think it is a blessed gift to be able to dance wildhearted to the Bodhran (or any other drum) through the Vernal Equinox of memory in the waning Summer Solstice of your days in this universe - when the stars burn their brightest. And it takes the courage of lions to examine your life with honesty. Again, very beautiful song Mr. SmokeyVW.
SmokeyVW said 4397 days ago (June 5th, 2007)
ok. it's just an odd time signature, but it does seem to hold some amount of symbolism in a way.

i think the rhythm somehow resonates with our basic instincts - there's a primitive drumbeat hidden in there perhaps - or else an avalanche of boxes falling out of the attic of my memory. not sure which!

i did feel a bit naked when i described this scenario - it is very real for me, even now. but it was long ago. still, i truly wish somehow Ginny finds this. i know she is out there. somewhere.

thanks Carole Jejune
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said 4388 days ago (June 14th, 2007)
The more I listen to this, the more I have fallen in love it. Further on down this list of accolades and empathetic walks down the path of "The Road Not Taken" (Robert Frost), I see that the purpose of MacJams is not only about the incredible musical talent I have found here, but so much more about the meeting and the sharing of souls. "I love you - where there is no space or place or time - I love you for my life, 'cause you're a friend of mine." (Bob Dylan ?) Somwhere, Ginny's heart whispers how the memory of you has kept long hours with her in the darkness before sleep. As does mine, dear friend.
SmokeyVW said 4386 days ago (June 15th, 2007)
last word
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Vic Holman said 4399 days ago (June 3rd, 2007)
A soundtrack to
your little story. the awkwardness of pre-teen years. I think we all had our Ginny's

interesting and cool concept of the time patterns. where it shouldn't work, you actually made it so. real genius on the execution
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SmokeyVW said 4397 days ago (June 5th, 2007)
thank you sir!

5 on 7 is strange - but there are possibilities - i humbly suggest you give it a try - once you get over that weird thing in the middle, it's actually rather cool. i'm serious. you need to think in units of 35 to make it work. but it can work.

if you would like to try a collab - i'm game!

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bud said 4399 days ago (June 3rd, 2007)
The Bang On A Can Marathon
is going on right now in Manhattan and this would sound completely at home in their program. Excellent realization of a theoretical concept. In other words - thought becomes music enters ears provokes thought. You're getting some real range out of the world pack - it sounds like to me. I got to get a new set of crayons myself.

BTW - tHe BOAC Marathon started last night at 8pm and finishes tonight at 10pm. At 5:30 this morning an ensemble was performing Music for 18 Musicians - all in the Winter Garden in Battery Park City - and all free.
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SmokeyVW said 4397 days ago (June 5th, 2007)
talk about crayons! i just (finally) got the remix tools jampack. my new LIOLI uses some stuff from it. new instruments always bring out the muses. i wonder why?

bang on a can sounds like a riot! are there any recordings available?

too bad i'm not a city person. i do miss things like this.

anyway - this song is just the number 35 expanded out a bit... :-)

thanks Bud
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Doadars Uncle said 4398 days ago (June 4th, 2007)
I love the story
I really love the song. This is a really nice comp!

Sad about Ginny. At least she was straight with you!?!? I liked a Ginny when I was in my twenties. I was too shy to hook up!
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SmokeyVW said 4397 days ago (June 5th, 2007)
Ginny was always a nice person to me.

several years later, just before my family moved away from Longmeadow, i somehow was talking with her at school and showed her a manuscript of a song i was working on at the time. it had the words, melody, and chords all laid out as you would expect to see on "real" sheet music. she actually seemed rather interested in me after that particular day. but i was gone only weeks later...

who knows where *that* possible path may have gone?

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timothy devine said 4397 days ago (June 4th, 2007)
man I love your discription
i too had a love. and was left broken.
you song here grabs that feeling and does a great job holding interest with the rhythm changes and i dig the voices, kind of like the love gods who see it all. nice work. very interesing stuff.
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SmokeyVW said 4397 days ago (June 5th, 2007)
i really like your image of the god that sees it all.

for me, that is the Muses. they watch us living our lives and toss in a comment here and there if we can only hear them.

thanks for listening!
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five_extra_arms said 4397 days ago (June 5th, 2007)
What a sweetheart!
Poor Ginny missed out on a great guy. This could've been a rage filled song, but no. You're an awesome guy Smokey.

You probably would've written volumes of music dedicated to her rather than one built on incredibly impossible time signatures. The story of our lives.

Thanks to Ginny for the inspiration and thanks to you for posting such a cool piece with such a cool story.

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SmokeyVW said 4396 days ago (June 5th, 2007)
no rage here. this was me floating on the river of adolescence.

as i mentioned earlier here, it could well have been the other way around - 5/7 is awkward - it led me to these awkward memories.


glad you enjoyed this odd thing
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Magritte said 4363 days ago (July 9th, 2007)
Hard to explain...
...but I connect with this piece because I've had a habit, since I was a kid, of tapping out a 3/4 rhythm with one hand while tapping out a 2/4 rhythm on the other. One reason I like Philip Glass a lot is because of how he plays with time signatures.

So I really enjoyed that dissonant/consonant out of step beat, and then was carried away by that melodic, contemplative break.

You really have a gift for telling stories with your music in a very understated way.

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SmokeyVW said 4363 days ago (July 9th, 2007)
i hear you about tapping out rhythms... i've been doing that reflexively for a long time. i really like that 3 on 4 rhythm. it sneaks into my keyboard improvs in the form of triplets...

thank you for the kind comment!
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