Black Ice

Vic Holman

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2 1/2 years ago i posted a version of this song. Early this week I originally intended to do a quick remix of it for my files. But, after I listened to it, after all this time, I realized I needed to recut some stuff. Like A LOT! All that remains are the effected guitar tracks (3). Everything else was a total do-over. I have deleted the original to save yourself the agony.

Well, that's one down.

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Lyrics

Black Ice

some damaged goods
my damaged brain
really don't care
can't remember a thing
call it amnesia
its all the same
never could remember
all the little things

chorus:
slipped my mind on black ice
better tell me twice
slipped my mind on black ice
open as the skys

just plug me in
some damn machine
spark my memory
please don't flatter me
have little post its
all over the place
digital calendars
remind if i'm late

chorus:
slipped my mind on black ice
better tell me twice
slipped my mind on black ice
open as the skys

call it multi task
doesn't prove a thing
for all i know
i do the same things
i don't remember
how this song goes
just like my dreams
i forget it all

slipped my mind on black ice

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Hits: 3745
Comments: 68
Fans: 29
Plays: 233
Downloads: 135

Uploaded: Jul 24, 2009 - 08:59:59 PM
Last Updated: Jul 24, 2009 - 08:59:59 PM Last Played: Jan 15, 2019 - 04:44:50 PM

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Feter	Feter said 3493 days ago (July 24th, 2009)
	Black Ice a trip ...back to listen with the new arrangement perfect crystal clear guitars ..gorgeous work .. special vocal taste as usual ...a wall of rockin sound ...just great ...thnx alot for sharin !!!! Check out my latest song called Roll with it

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3493 days ago (July 24th, 2009)
	Thanks Feter there are at least 60 songs that I should redo. man oh man, that's going to be quite the chore. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Dadai.2

Dadai.2 said 3493 days ago (July 24th, 2009)

Whoa....
now that is a beginning to a song! Love that line... slipped my mind on black ice! That is so visual and visceral. Some cool middle guitar work. Vic, you're something. A true heavy lifter of guitar riffing. I get lost... draws me in.... I'm loosing my mind... drifting.. dreams... music.... another scotch... oops!

good one Vic.

Check out my latest song called The Crossing (farewell to Phil)

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3493 days ago (July 24th, 2009)
	Thanks Jack as best i remember, the line came to me when i was out shoveling snow 2 1/2 years ago, I slipped on black ice, and hoped that non of the neighbors saw it. I'm sure they had a good laugh if they did. everything else is a bit hazy from that point on. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

MarkHolbrook	MarkHolbrook said 3493 days ago (July 24th, 2009)
	Ya That jumps out at you... I'll have to go listen to the original if it is still around... and compare... This is really great Vic! Check out my latest song called Corn Whiskey

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3492 days ago (July 25th, 2009)
	Thanks Mark I deleted the old one before i posted this one. I kept telling myself i need to go back and redo the songs that have potential and dump the bad ones. At my pace it's going to take forever.:-) Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

magnatone	magnatone said 3493 days ago (July 25th, 2009)
	Black Ice This is GREAT Vic! your lyrical skills always impress me so much and i especially like these. kinda wish you'd left up the original - strongly doubt i would've found it agonizing. Excellent song all around - congrats! Check out my latest song called Hallelujah (Leonard Cohen) and Variations

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3492 days ago (July 25th, 2009)
	Thanks Karen The old one was too cluttered and needed a lot of improvement, like in everything. There's a lot more to go through. Maybe a few will be reposted when i get around to them and as time goes on. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

LunaTrick	LunaTrick said 3493 days ago (July 25th, 2009)
	Big sound Vic I like the way your voice glides... and your songwriting is unique. Always enjoy your stuff. Check out my latest song called Luna Gypsy Heart II (Eternal Firelight)

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3492 days ago (July 25th, 2009)
	Thanks Daniel I can easily say them same about your music as well. I have a lot of older songs that I want to redo, just for my own piece of mind if nothing else. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Skean	Skean said 3493 days ago (July 25th, 2009)
	Nice wake up song I know what you mean with a quick remix, I have try that myself BUT sometimes it ends up with just a mess, I'm happy you succeeded, as always I love what you do, so thanks for one other song to my, Vic, library. Cheers Kenta Check out my latest song called Can You Hear Me?

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3492 days ago (July 25th, 2009)
	Hey Kenta I hadn't listened to the older version in a couple years. I thought it would be a easy re-mix. But, after starting on it i ended up redoing most of the tracks, A lot more work then I had intended, that's usually the case Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

sloparts	sloparts said 3493 days ago (July 25th, 2009)
	This has a decidedly Beatles feel an sound to it Vic Works for me. cause I love the Beatles music. Interesting metaphors in the lyrics, and a great delivery on them in the vox. Love the lead guitar parts in the break, and for that matter all of it. Great song Vic, Ed Check out my latest song called Quack's Blues

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3492 days ago (July 25th, 2009)
	Thanks Ed The original had been sticking in my head and i knew i should redo it, ironic since the song is about forgetting stuff. The solo was one of the few things that i didn't redo on this. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

mowguy3	mowguy3 said 3492 days ago (July 25th, 2009)
	Black Ice You are one of a kind with lyric. This is one hell of a track. I was not around for the first post but this is fantastic. Vox, guitars everything about it, Thanks.. Check out my latest song called What Would That Make Me?

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3492 days ago (July 25th, 2009)
	Thanks Russ I always have enjoyed lyrics with a bit of a twist and word play in them. Lennon and Bowie where masters at that. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Ed Hannifin

Ed Hannifin said 3492 days ago (July 25th, 2009)

Well, too late...
'cause I've got the original....

It's very cool to compare them, actually. The big thing that stands out is that this is a much more three dimensional mix, much more spacious. The other version sounds flatter, less airy and dynamic... Every element of this one has air in and around it...

And in the original graphic, the cowboy's neckerchief was cotton instead of silk. So what do I win?

Ed

Check out my latest song called Chime (Alone) (Inspired by Particle Dots)

Vic Holman

Vic Holman said 3492 days ago (July 25th, 2009)

Thanks Ed
sometimes songs are quite the way you remember them. I hadn't listened to the other one for a very long time. I realized that it was almost a total do-over. A big thing totally eliminating several guitar tracks. And taming the bass to a more simpler pattern. Of course I have learned more about mixing during the time.

You win a shiny new mp3 of this song and the right to say "i told you so". I would of given the cotton scarf, unfortunately the scarf shrunk in the wash.

Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Calchas

Calchas said 3492 days ago (July 25th, 2009)

You may remember that I LOVED the original...
But this really a superior version. You've come a long way since then.

The beginning sounds a little like the Pogues "Turkish Song Of The Damned" just before you break into the vocal. Verrrrry cool.

Still dig that awesome chorus. And that instrumental mid-section is HUGE now bro!

Sometimes it pays big-time to revisit them oldies. This is one of those times!

Be well friend!

Check out my latest song called STARLIGHT

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3492 days ago (July 25th, 2009)
	Hi Mike we both have learned quite a bit since then. I picked this one to redo at random. I remember it as a decent tune. I didn't realize I was going to practically redo almost all of it. I sure wish i knew then, what i know now. I'll probably say that again in a few years.:-) Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Lennon714	Lennon714 said 3492 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
	What in the world is that screechy guitar thing? It sounds like you're using a pedal that produces thirds or fifths and then raising it an octave? It's wild and I love it. The chorus zigs when I think it's going to zag, which is fun. I am kind of disappointed I can compare it to the original, though. Check out my latest song called Go With What You Know, Do Your Best With the Rest

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3492 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
	screechy good that's a whammy pedal that makes that sound. it's built in to my digitech gnx2 effect pedal board. If you leave it toe up it makes a chatter noise, that is used on the chords in the verse and the tremolo picking on the chorus. the solo is using a pitch shifter with an interval. crazy huh? Thanks Eric Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Lennon714	Lennon714 said 3492 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
	ah! That's what it is! I used to have the Digitech RP200 and it had the same whammy effect. I think I'm actually screwing around with it on a song I have posted here "When you get carried away". Though your use of it is cooler and more of a controlled madness. Love the touch, Vic! Check out my latest song called Go With What You Know, Do Your Best With the Rest

lavalamp	lavalamp said 3492 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
	Vic Sound Distinctive Vic signature sound. Love what you did with the drums. I've been gone for a week so I have a lot up catching up to do. This is an excellent start. Dave Check out my latest song called The Shallow People

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3491 days ago (July 26th, 2009)
	Thanks Dave on redoing this older song the drums was giving me the most problems. Since they are pretty aggressive. It was a combination of playing the keyboard penciling in notes and moving some around. I think I spent 3 evenings constantly messing with it. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

tempie	tempie said 3491 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
	outrageous! that little arpeggio with the _____ (insert word here) effect in the verse is killer. also like how much space you've got in the verse, no idea how you get some many effects to cut down to silence so quickly without cutting them off - great mixing dude. and that outrageous 70's metal break and solo is just well, outrageous. Check out my latest song called The Double Helix

Vic Holman

Vic Holman said 3490 days ago (July 27th, 2009)

word
whammy pedal, it was set for an octave up, you just glide it up with the pedal. when it's all the way up it also produces that chatter kind of sound, weird huh? It also helps to have a noise silencer on as well, that you can adjust the threshold.

I can play metal but my voice isn't attuned to it, that's why I haven't done a full out version... and i have no tat's

Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Z293	Z293 said 3491 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
	Your efforts to recut this paid off. Nice clean mix, you sound in top form. Check out my latest song called La Pavillon

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3490 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
	that's one down there are quite a few older ones that need some work, but, i think this was one that needed a lot. I was still learning about mixing, etc. then, well actually still am. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

lengold	lengold said 3490 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
	Absolutely love this Vic - wonderful job - great mix. Love the drums. Downloaded. Thanks. Cheers Len Check out my latest song called Decent Girl

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3490 days ago (July 27th, 2009)
	Thanks Len the drums was the hardest part about redoing this one. It took 3 evenings to get it to where i needed it. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Peter Bauckham	Peter Bauckham said 3490 days ago (July 28th, 2009)
	Better... Yes, this is certainly improved - the sound (even through my crappy work speakers) is far less murky - the whole production more polished. However, I do think it's a shame that the earlier recording has been deleted. Peter Check out my latest song called Reality TV MJRF2010

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3489 days ago (July 28th, 2009)
	Thanks Peter the first one had to much going on and of course i have learned a few things along the way on mixing. I debated with myself on keeping the old on posted. But I felt it would be just taking up space. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Cori Ander	Cori Ander said 3490 days ago (July 28th, 2009)
	Wow This is a really great production of a great song! Thank you! Check out my latest song called O store Gud

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3489 days ago (July 28th, 2009)
	Thanks Cori better production was the main reason for me redoing this older song of mine. There are more older ones that are worth going back to and redoing. It's kind of like sifting through old archives. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Daugrin	Daugrin said 3490 days ago (July 28th, 2009)
	Black Ice This recalls a lot of pop music in a reassuring way. The production effort supports the lyrics. I find the synth work especially fine, the focus is to compliment the song, these synth lines really hit the mark. Thanks for the remake. Well done. Daug Check out my latest song called A.O.C.

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3489 days ago (July 28th, 2009)
	Thanks Daug Thanks for the good words. The only thing is there are no synths on this song. really. It's done on guitars with effects. Thanks again! Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Daugrin	Daugrin said 3489 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
	Synth effect I had to listen again, the "effects" are working. I wanted to point out how effective the arrangement is and that feature really stands out. There was a mixmaster in Cabin studios that had a great magnetic effect on a telecaster. That "effect" is on a lot of records too. Lol Daug Check out my latest song called A.O.C.

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3488 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
	ah yes a ebow, a magnet generated hand held effect I have on and have used it from time to time. actually I'm using it on a song that is in the works. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

AlchymicalMuse	AlchymicalMuse said 3489 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
	Pleasantly iced Whatever the first version was like, you sound very confident and assured on this one, with the usual slick-Vic production. Great stuff as always. Check out my latest song called Garden of Love (after William Blake)

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3488 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
	aha you have set up your own account for the Daniel/Rebsie project. Great! the first had to much going on and needed a massive facelift. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

VicDiesel

VicDiesel said 3489 days ago (July 29th, 2009)

Good song
That one guitar, the one with a synthy edge to it, it's cool when it plays a solo, or when it's the only rhythm, but in a number of places I find it a tad annoying like in the passage right after the minute mark. I'd say that sound is too individualistic to use for straight rhythm.

Otherwise good stuff as always. Your drum mix is very nice.

Check out my latest song called Ten minutes

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3488 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
	Thanks Vic ... could be. getting the drums together took a bit to get together on this one. combo of keyboard and penciling in notes. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

chronologic	chronologic said 3489 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
	The Driving Vic Those Synthed guitars are crazy! Crazy! Check out my latest song called Walk with You

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3488 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
	crazy is.... .... as crazy does. that's a nice thing about having a multi-effect pedal board you can set up and save your own presets. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

chronologic

chronologic said 3488 days ago (July 30th, 2009)

lol
Yeah, except in my case I can't remember the patch # or which buttons to push or sometimes where to plug it in! But it is easier than chaining different boxes together. I can't tell you how many times I have spent 3 hours tweaking 4 boxes with patch cables, turning knobs, changing patch orders, splitting and recombining signals, and finally getting a sound I wanted -- which I could NEVER get again! It's a one time thing for me and my organizationally challenged brain! If I was only half-stupid I would at least take a picture of the mess!!

Check out my latest song called Walk with You

Doadars Uncle	Doadars Uncle said 3488 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
	I remember this one! Nicely done, Vic! Great refit! Sparkly. Guitars! Check out my latest song called Don't Leave (remix)

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3488 days ago (July 29th, 2009)
	Thanks Doug after 2 1/2 years and it still lingers on the brain. That must be why I went back and redid this one. I had forgotten until i reopened and listened to how it was, how much work it was going to need. finally got it done right. for now. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Bob Rodgers	Bob Rodgers said 3487 days ago (July 30th, 2009)
	I never heard the original Vic but this is really great. It's good sometimes to go back to old songs and give them a make over. I love the bass on this, sounds so clear and a great tone. The guitars are really awesome too and I love the arrangement, superb mix and a great song. Bob Check out my latest song called The Lonely Man

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3484 days ago (August 2nd, 2009)
	Thanks Bob I have been putting off going back and redoing or minor fix ups on some songs. Seems I always have a new one in the works. There use to be a bunch of songs from my first year that i deleted, thinking i was going to redo. has yet to happen. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Trillian

Trillian said 3487 days ago (July 30th, 2009)

Deja Vu
Ah Ha! This is where I came in.... this was the first song of yours I chose to listen to just because I liked the title and the friendly aviator avatar..... still love the unique image inferred - "slipped my mind on black ice" : ) And although I thought the first incarnation terrific (it's still on my iPod) I must agree that you've improved upon the original - especially, your vocals now are stronger and more self assured, and the music reflects confidence as well. Kudos Vicar!!! I'm enjoying this new version on the iPod also. : )

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3484 days ago (August 2nd, 2009)
	Thanks CJ the vocals are what bothered me the most on the first version. then i decided to re-haul just about everything else on it. So, I figured with all the work going into it, that I might as well post it. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Boundless	Boundless said 3486 days ago (July 31st, 2009)
	Power rock ballad with good vocals and production. A quick remix - is it ever like that. . . Well done - thanks ! Check out my latest song called Weather or Not - Jim Bouchard's Collab

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3484 days ago (August 2nd, 2009)
	remixes..... ...... tend to turn into redos. thanks for the listen! Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

egobandit	egobandit said 3485 days ago (August 1st, 2009)
	Vic I dont remember anything, I know the feeling. I think the more the memory goes the more we start living on instinct. Set the controles for the heart of the sun! Man I must say Around 2:00 the way you slide the chords around is just tops! I want to download this but IM waiting for my Mac to be fixed! Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Check out my latest song called No more demands

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3484 days ago (August 2nd, 2009)
	Hey Tim there's a 80% chance if something is not written down, i might forget. good news to hear about your Mac being repaired. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Chimalus

Chimalus said 3485 days ago (August 1st, 2009)

Beautifully mixed!
The guitar that enters at 12:12 is candy-like. I love listening to that. Maybe the vocals weren't quite loud enough...? Maybe it's just my preference. Flavorful rock all-around. You obviously made vast improvements from the original mix.

Hmmm... The lyrics disturb me. They're artful and raw. I mean, they're funny, and they're kinda supposed to be, right...? Still, a feeling of bitterness exudes from them. Maybe because they're also raw, I taste the reality of a human mind that really cannot remember much of anything... and spites itself for that? Disturbing. Deeper than I've dared to look.

Not sure why I'm getting this dark, menacing vibe, but it's here. Actually, I feel that your odd choice of chords contributed to the feeling of "wrongness." I shall favorite this song because of how much it has influenced my psyche. Cool stuff.

Check out my latest song called Wanna Be Human But This Song...

Vic Holman

Vic Holman said 3484 days ago (August 2nd, 2009)

Thanks Z
the title came about on slipping on some black ice when i was shoveling snow and took a dive and wasn't paying attention. I drew from memory about a nasty concussion I received after going over the handlebars on a bike. You could notice that there where a lot of things you would forget and feel somewhat foggy. Luckily it all cleared up after two months

Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

ramonaji	ramonaji said 3484 days ago (August 3rd, 2009)
	I. THINK. It's. Great. I like so many things about this! It's excellent, a treat for my ears!!!!! WOW... at 2:04... and the solo! I'm downloading!!!! Check out my latest song called Trump's America

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3480 days ago (August 6th, 2009)
	Thanks Ramona i appreciate the listen! Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

rsorensen	rsorensen said 3484 days ago (August 3rd, 2009)
	loud always love and appreciate your loud, full mixes. Great song Check out my latest song called Again

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3480 days ago (August 6th, 2009)
	Thanks Ridd It's hard to find time going back and redoing old songs. well this is one down. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

Heroin_Marys	Heroin_Marys said 3482 days ago (August 5th, 2009)
	Space Dance 2317. There will be ray guns shooting and this song will be rocking the socks off the space dweebs. The shimmery robo-guitar is a real fun bit. Great bass sound on that solo. Check out my latest song called Bad Robot

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3480 days ago (August 6th, 2009)
	Thanks from the year 2317 we are now letting monkeys fly in space once more to take care of space dweebs. Enabling earthlings to stay on earth and rock. Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

bud	bud said 3482 days ago (August 5th, 2009)
	I downloaded the original - there's nowhere to hide Think it's pretty good too - but you definitely brought it to a new level this time around. Love the gliding/soaring guitars. Mighty fine tune Vic. Check out my latest song called mixer 2

Vic Holman	Vic Holman said 3480 days ago (August 6th, 2009)
	Hey Kevin i knew i wouldn't be able to totally hide the original. i picked this one at random to get started on do-overs. thats one out of the way...for now Check out my latest song called Feeding The Sharks

blaky smith	blaky smith said 3462 days ago (August 25th, 2009)
	YES Great sounds and magistral guitar work here again. The third tune from you which I discover today. How have I been able to miss so much of your tunes. Damned, what a famous day ! Check out my latest song called Un jour de décembre

Relic67	Relic67 said 3447 days ago (September 8th, 2009)
	guitar really enjoyed the guitar playing on this one. chorus also great, reminded me a bit of pink floyd. cool! Check out my latest song called Dead Archive

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