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The Forgotten Dead

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MetalPhil

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An older track that I did. This isn't tracked like Promises Broken, and there are still some weird ass level issues 'cause levels are tough to control in GB. Also, this is in standard tuning, where as Promises Broken is in Open d6..

Anyway, thoughts on production or the song are totally welcome.
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Uploaded: Aug 15, 2009 - 07:03:40 AM
Last Updated: Aug 15, 2009 - 07:03:40 AM Last Played: Jan 22, 2018 - 11:28:33 AM
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Parker Fly, Mac, Stock Mic
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GarageBand
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Reggie_Pole said 3113 days ago (August 15th, 2009)
Major
Some really choice moments in here. Nice use of contrasts. I'm not a fan of the machine-like or superhuman bass drum style, but I realize that's just my problem. The vocals sit nicely in the mix. Maybe a harmony vocal part at 6:23? Some mind-blowing complexity going on in places, which I always like. The mix is pretty good. It's hard to control all that big sound. A little more spreading would help, but this is a monster as is. It kicks ass, Much enjoyed.
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MetalPhil said 3110 days ago (August 18th, 2009)
Thanks!
I tried to respond to this earlier. Could you explain what you mean by spreading? Also, I've played with a drummer who could play this stuff.. I don't think he was super human, but I would like better drum sound. ;)
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Reggie_Pole said 3110 days ago (August 18th, 2009)
Hey Phil
I'm not sure "spreading" is the correct technical term. What do I know? As Chikoppi said on your forum thread, I meant panning -- separating the tracks from each other. Everything here is panned to dead center til 1:50, so the tracks fight each other for attention. One useful trick for this kind of music is to double mono rhythm guitar tracks, pan one far left, one equally far right, then put a time separation on them using a delay (not echo delay). Without delay they will just add back to center. The delay does the trick. A nice example is provided by Tiny Man Inside, master of heavy rhythm guitar (http://www.macjams.com/song/38321 at about 0:42). Always keep bass guitar in the center. The spatial separation will give a bigger sound spacewise. EQ is another matter, and much trickier. Then you're dealing with crowding in "frequency space." Separating tracks in frequency can be done with lowering or raising certain frequencies with the EQ sliders (I don't know GB). It helps to know what the frequency distribution on each track is (volume vs. frequency band). You can get Audacity as a free download, which has a frequency analyzer. Then experiment with the EQ, listen to the results, and go from there. It's usually a matter of taste, and each song will require different settings. Hope that helps a little. Good luck.
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Feter said 3112 days ago (August 15th, 2009)
The Forgotten Dead
you really gives alot of thoughts here ...swing
between prog rock and metal and they felt so
good (guitars and bass) ...well structured the
whole song ..hard to find metal work like this ..
its like too many parts of one song ...just
a fabulous work ...kudos ..thnx alot for sharin !!!!
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MetalPhil said 3112 days ago (August 16th, 2009)
Thanks!
Hey, thanks for the props man. Glad you like the material. I'm demoing stuff and trying to find a band right now. I'm really getting into the demoing process right now. :) This track wasn't supposed to be included because it's in a different tuning, but with this kind of reaction...
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Relic67 said 3112 days ago (August 15th, 2009)
Great!
Really enjoyable metal tune. epic in structure.
I like the combo of growl and melodic singing.
great guitar riffs, the whole thing just works well.
The mix sounds perhaps a bit murky in certain spots where there a concentration of low frequency sounds (bass, drums, low pitched guitar riffs, and low pitched vocals)... could be just my listening setup though..
I'm not an expert in that area, but I think judicious EQ cuts on some tracks, and use of high-pass filter on some tracks can help somewhat....
Just a thought, overall I am blown away by this song!!
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MetalPhil said 3110 days ago (August 18th, 2009)
Great. :)
Hey thanks. Could you explain about high-pass and the EQ stuff? I'm pretty much a total newbie when it comes to recording...
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Relic67 said 3108 days ago (August 19th, 2009)
muddiness
I don't want to steer you wrong since I'm a bit of a newb myself. Avoiding muddiness seems to be a bit of an art. I believe it results when there are too many tracks or instruments with the same frequency in the same part of the stereo field. A good book on home recording would probably be the best bet.
My "home recording for dummies" book suggests to reduce muddiness on vocals, cut a few decibels at 150 Hz. to reduce guitar mud, you can cut a little bit below 100 Hz. bass can be cut at 200 to 300 if sounds muddy. I believe it is usually unwise to cut more than 3 or 4 decibels.
Appropriate panning of guitars in the stereo field can also help, I believe.
High pass filtering can also be set on garageband to eliminate the lowest, non-musical frequencies from instruments like guitar and bass. I don't use it on the drum track.
The Eq and filter settings can be set for each track by clicking on the "details" button for the track.
You can search the forums for macJammer's comments on EQ and the like, there are a bunch of good threads with tips on it.
those are just the thoughts of someone who is not that proficient at mixing!

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michael2 said 3112 days ago (August 16th, 2009)
i like this
the guitar work is outstanding. i agree that it could use a little EQ as it all seems to be in the same frequency. that change after the melodic singing is awesome, then right back into the grind. hey, how did you do the drums?
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MetalPhil said 3110 days ago (August 18th, 2009)
Thanks for the props!
The drums are done in Guitar Pro and then imported. I fatten them up using EQ and one of the sample sets from GarageBand. Any suggestions for improvements?
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dave_b said 3110 days ago (August 18th, 2009)
Cool tune
Really great guitar work. The hard crunching and the soft picking in the same song was a great contrast. I think the EQ spreading refers to the idea that a single track should "own" a frequency range. The problem is with GB you don't get to know automatically what frequencies your tracks are occupying. Here is guide which I use which makes some EQ suggestions for various instruments:
http://www.oreillynet.com/xml/blog/2005/11/a_beginners_guide_to_mixing_in.html
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ste said 3109 days ago (August 18th, 2009)
very
cool riff. i agree that some harmony would sound great on the "sung" bit. love that breakdown
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