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 Genre: Folk-Rock

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A song in the folk-rock style with guitars, organ, base, and vocals. I hope you enjoy.

Originally uploaded on MacJams in 2005. Taken down in 2008. With some remixing, it's time that I put it back up. There's another version of this song that has never been uploaded. It's Craig's version. I'm hoping he'll post it. It may well be the best version...

Original song notes from 2005:
This is a song that came out of some email conversations after the London bombings of July 7th between myself and Craig Bakay, aka snowdragon. There are challenges and dangers both from within and from without the many societies around the globe. After swapping ideas, lyrics, and mp3 files back and forth we came up with this collaborative song.

Jack Miller: lead vocal, rhythm guitar, lead guitar, keyboard
Craig Bakay: bass, vocal harmonies, lead guitar, ambient guitar.
Song Art: Salvador Dali
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If you find the answers, please tell me when
Do we ever cure the cancers, tell me when

We fear to offend and negotiate, the meaning of wrong and right
And a mist of our own making becomes a fog, darker than the blackest night
It's a plan for extinction when a culture's undefined and everything's homogenized
It's a false protection against all ills -- ambiguity paralyzed

If denial is a river, we're drowning in it then, tell me when
If you find the answers, please tell me when

The dust of fallen freedom's blowing dry against the wind
It seems we're always going down this road again, tell me when

A wise man told us so very long ago, "there are some things worth dyin' for"
But when we're given them away, it must be asked "are they really worth having anymore?"
Peaceful coexistence under threat and fear is really no existence at all
And a nation divided, so history tells, foreshadows its society's fall

I stand a ready soldier with the sword or with the pen, tell me when
If you find the answers, please tell me when

Is it really civilized to second-guess the truth
And pretend to understand the rising storm?
On the far horizon, broken Eden calls
To a blank generational norm.

Is the answer in the forest, past the glade beyond the glen, tell me when . . .
Do we have to take this journey while beast is in his den, tell me when

Can you give me any answers I would like to say "amen" tell me when
If the answer's in the system do I need to count to 10, tell me when..

Lyrics by Craig Bakay, inspired by Jack Miller's ramblings
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Comments: 9
Fans: 10
Plays: 51
Downloads: 14

Uploaded: Jun 03, 2015 - 09:05:27 PM
Last Updated: Jul 07, 2017 - 08:12:25 PM Last Played: Jul 18, 2019 - 09:32:52 AM
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PeterB7858 said 1598 days ago (June 4th, 2015)
Impressive "Dylanesque" lyrics and you do a fine job with the vocals, Jack, especially with getting the phrasing right. I like how the backing vocal slide in and out, too. Classic folk-rock backer. Glad you have re-posted. Thanks, Peter.
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Dadai.2 said 1598 days ago (June 4th, 2015)
Dylanesque lyrics...
Hi Peter!
Craig Bakay has many talents. His lyrical talent is probably not noticed enough. This song is one of his best examples.

He and I were clicking at the time of this song. We had quite a number of collabs over the period of a couple years that produced some of my favorite MJ songs. Fond memories... Would have been nice to have met him and actually had some face to face time playing live and recording.
Thanks for your gracious comments. Old school folk-rock doesn't appeal to everyone. Glad it did to you.
Check out my latest song called Into The Down...
jiguma said 1596 days ago (June 6th, 2015)
Jack and Snow
Nice sound Jack. Lyrics good, as are vocals and playing. I always ask for more bass of course, and on my phones this could do with an extra DB or two on the bottom end. As you would know, I love folk-rock, so am really enjoying this. Very clean mix.
Cheers from Oz.
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snowdragon said 1595 days ago (June 7th, 2015)
old farts . . .
Jack could always sing better than I could.

As for "my" version, there's this annoying lede guitar track on it that I'd really like to edit in the cold light of several years later. Alas, the original tracks were lost in one of the several equipment meltdowns over the past few years.
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Dadai.2 said 1595 days ago (June 8th, 2015)
Don't let him kid you...
Even with the so-called "annoying lede guitar track" (which I happen to like, but then again Craig always did have suspicions about my tastes...) its a great version, one that is different in style from the above. So why not post it, if for no other reason that its one of the lost tracks of the SB Sessions 2004-2005. It completes the anthology! heheh... Coming up next are all the various discarded practice tracks to be included in the soon-to-be-released box set... ;)
Check out my latest song called Into The Down...
Warren Smith said 1595 days ago (June 8th, 2015)
And the answer is ...
I know the answer .. and the answer is: more Macjams collaborations. If not leading to World peace .. at least it creates more global harmony.

Revisiting your old catalog and reposting these nuggets is a good thing.
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Dadai.2 said 1595 days ago (June 8th, 2015)
My plan is to get to our collab near the end of this month. Collabs are indeed something unique here. Glad to take a stab at one with you.
Check out my latest song called Into The Down...
egobandit said 1594 days ago (June 8th, 2015)
Every night is a river we aare drowning in I like that, you know those stabs on the keys really bounce through this song with that far away git. glad you put this back up I would have missed it otherwise, great collab!
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Dadai.2 said 1594 days ago (June 8th, 2015)
Those lyrics...
Hey Tim, yeah - many lines, like the one you mentioned, grab me. And I'm glad you liked my stabs on the keys. I learned that little technique from an old bandmate (Ed Cermanski) of mine from the late sixties who went on to be the keyboard player for The Trammps (Disco Inferno in the movie Saturday Night Fever). This is just about the last of the old ones I had taken down. Maybe one more. Thanks for listening and for giving your reaction. Cheers...
Check out my latest song called Into The Down...
Genre Info
Folk-rock is a musical genre, combining elements of folk music and rock music. In the original and narrowest sense, the term referred to a genre that arose in the United States and Canada around the mid-1960s. The sound was epitomized by tight vocal

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